Dylan says today's recordings sound ?atrocious?

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Video did kill the radio star. It also killed the music. It's more about the image than the actual music. Sure, I know theres still some decent music out there, but its like trying to find a single raindrop in a thunderstorm.

As someone said, turn off MTV. That is like trying to find a single raindrop in sheet rain.

If you know where to look there is tons of great stuff being put out right now.
I have no problem finding tons of good new music.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: BD2003
Video did kill the radio star. It also killed the music. It's more about the image than the actual music. Sure, I know theres still some decent music out there, but its like trying to find a single raindrop in a thunderstorm.

As someone said, turn off MTV. That is like trying to find a single raindrop in sheet rain.

If you know where to look there is tons of great stuff being put out right now.
I have no problem finding tons of good new music.

Funny how I used the same analogy to make the same point myself.

But I'll forgive you, cause to be honest, I rarely pay full attention to most but the first few and last few posts.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: BD2003
Video did kill the radio star. It also killed the music. It's more about the image than the actual music. Sure, I know theres still some decent music out there, but its like trying to find a single raindrop in a thunderstorm.

As someone said, turn off MTV. That is like trying to find a single raindrop in sheet rain.

If you know where to look there is tons of great stuff being put out right now.
I have no problem finding tons of good new music.

Funny how I used the same analogy to make the same point myself.

But I'll forgive you, cause to be honest, I rarely pay full attention to most but the first few and last few posts.

Which is actually kind of ironic, because its the same post you quoted, which I didn't read myself. Now I'm even replying to myself. I don't know whether it's me or you thats confused.

I blame MTV for this.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

I think he was talking about today's complete dogsh*t music (rap/hip-hop and its ridiculous prison culture, Britney, Hillary Duff, etc.) as well as the production values. In either case, although I've never been a Dylan fan, I agree wholeheartedly and loved the interview.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: BD2003
Video did kill the radio star. It also killed the music. It's more about the image than the actual music. Sure, I know theres still some decent music out there, but its like trying to find a single raindrop in a thunderstorm.

As someone said, turn off MTV. That is like trying to find a single raindrop in sheet rain.

If you know where to look there is tons of great stuff being put out right now.
I have no problem finding tons of good new music.

Funny how I used the same analogy to make the same point myself.

I know because it was what I was responding to. Making a different analogy to respond to yours would not make sense.

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: randym431
Text

This is what I've always said.
Back in the 1960's we had those little transistor radios with AM and one 2" speaker.
Then things changed to FM. Then to stereo, then to 8-track, then to HiFi, and surround sound, and so on and on.
Now in 2006, we're back to listening to music on crap devices like cell phones, ipods, mp3 player. etc.
OH THE HUMANITY!!!

yep. he pretty much summed it up.


Cd's sound too 'tinny'

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
I think this page gives a pretty good explanation of the problem. Text

thanks for the link. i'll read this on the train tomorrow.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
I think this page gives a pretty good explanation of the problem. Text

That's really bad, and pretty unprofessional. You'd think that a band as mature as Rush would know a lot better and not have deaf sound engineers, etc... Or maybe not.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

The kicker to all this is the MP3 format, which everyone loves. It essentially gives free license to compress your music to the gills because whos going to care? Your going to re-encode to a medium which by nature removes some of the information.
.

You're mixing up dynamic range compression with lossless data compression. They are completely different things. It's quite possible to have an MP3 with a very high crest factor.

Also, there should be no compression on commercial releases. Listen to it in the car or a cheap ghetto blaster? Tell the manufacturer to put a compressor on it. Radio stations can take care of this for the listeners and make their stuff as loud as they like. The end user should not be punished. Not that I mind as I have access to an incredible library of masters BEFORE the butcher removed the ass from the cow. :laugh:

 

[0roo0roo]

he's endlessly touted as some kinda 60's god. i've tried listening to his music and supposed brilliant lyrics. i don't see it. he can stfu about sound quality.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
he's endlessly touted as some kinda 60's god. i've tried listening to his music and supposed brilliant lyrics. i don't see it. he can stfu about sound quality.

Hey! Hey! Hey! Show a little respect for your elders.

:music:


The guilty undertaker sighs,
The lonesome organ grinder cries,
The silver saxophones say I should refuse you.
The cracked bells and washed-out horns
Blow into my face with scorn,
But it's not that way,
I wasn't born to lose you.
I want you, I want you,
I want you so bad,
Honey, I want you.

The drunken politician leaps
Upon the street where mothers weep
And the saviors who are fast asleep,
They wait for you.
And I wait for them to interrupt
Me drinkin' from my broken cup
And ask me to
Open up the gate for you.
I want you, I want you,
I want you so bad,
Honey, I want you.

Now all my fathers, they've gone down
True love they've been without it.
But all their daughters put me down
'Cause I don't think about it.

Well, I return to the Queen of Spades
And talk with my chambermaid.
She knows that I'm not afraid
To look at her.
She is good to me
And there's nothing she doesn't see.
She knows where I'd like to be
But it doesn't matter.
I want you, I want you,
I want you so bad,
Honey, I want you.

Now your dancing child with his Chinese suit,
He spoke to me, I took his flute.
No, I wasn't very cute to him,
Was I?
But I did it, though, because he lied
Because he took you for a ride
And because time was on his side
And because I . . .
I want you, I want you,
I want you so bad,
Honey, I want you.

:music:

 

[EyeMWing]

The operational recording engineer theory is to use a pair of reasonable headphones, or a pair of PC speakers - you master so it sounds good on the crappiest thing you can use within reason, and "then it sounds the same on everything!"

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: randym431
Text

This is what I've always said.
Back in the 1960's we had those little transistor radios with AM and one 2" speaker.
Then things changed to FM. Then to stereo, then to 8-track, then to HiFi, and surround sound, and so on and on.
Now in 2006, we're back to listening to music on crap devices like cell phones, ipods, mp3 player. etc.
OH THE HUMANITY!!!

Actually he has a point. Music fidelity is taking some backwards steps. The best portable CD players are from the late 80s. That's sad if you ask me. Hardware is about profitablity today. Not sound fidelity.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Actually he has a point. Music fidelity is taking some backwards steps. The best portable CD players are from the late 80s. That's sad if you ask me. Hardware is about profitablity today. Not sound fidelity.

I'll disagree somewhat. There is still a hi-fi market that is alive and thriving. Heck my CD player alone cost 1000 bucks.

The benefit/problem with such a "hi-fi" system is it extracts every last nuance and tone from a recording. So poor recordings are much more "craptastic" on such systems.

I've noticed that box sets generally sound really, really good. that's probably because they are usually direct from the masters. My favorite is Tom Petty's box set. Some of the best recorded rock music out there IMHO. that guy is a master in the studio. It's so tonally accurate you can almost see his guitar strings vibarating.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000...f=pd_bbs_1/103-4880420-8329450?ie=UTF8

HIGHLY recommended.
:thumbsup:

 

[mrSHEiK124]

He does have a point, listen to a CD with sh!tty mastering, for example, Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory has a couple of tracks that sound like someone just put all the instruments in a blender and recorded the noise. Same goes for Hoobastank's debut CD. Notice how its the crappy music that tends to have crappy mastering

 

[bobdelt]

Is comparing CDs of today to what they should sound like. Some do horrible jobs in studious and highly compress what goes on the cd.

We need mainstreat dvd audio support.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: clamum
People are saying there has been no quality music that will withstand the test of time (20 years+) made in the past decade? Uh. Turn off MTV, for starters.

READ THE ARTICLE

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

The kicker to all this is the MP3 format, which everyone loves. It essentially gives free license to compress your music to the gills because whos going to care? Your going to re-encode to a medium which by nature removes some of the information.
.

You're mixing up dynamic range compression with lossless data compression. They are completely different things. It's quite possible to have an MP3 with a very high crest factor.

Also, there should be no compression on commercial releases. Listen to it in the car or a cheap ghetto blaster? Tell the manufacturer to put a compressor on it. Radio stations can take care of this for the listeners and make their stuff as loud as they like. The end user should not be punished. Not that I mind as I have access to an incredible library of masters BEFORE the butcher removed the ass from the cow. :laugh:

your ideas intrigue me and i wish to subscribe to your newsgro...i mean newsletter.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Actually he has a point. Music fidelity is taking some backwards steps. The best portable CD players are from the late 80s. That's sad if you ask me. Hardware is about profitablity today. Not sound fidelity.

I'll disagree somewhat. There is still a hi-fi market that is alive and thriving. Heck my CD player alone cost 1000 bucks.

The benefit/problem with such a "hi-fi" system is it extracts every last nuance and tone from a recording. So poor recordings are much more "craptastic" on such systems.

I've noticed that box sets generally sound really, really good. that's probably because they are usually direct from the masters. My favorite is Tom Petty's box set. Some of the best recorded rock music out there IMHO. that guy is a master in the studio. It's so tonally accurate you can almost see his guitar strings vibarating.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000...f=pd_bbs_1/103-4880420-8329450?ie=UTF8

HIGHLY recommended.
:thumbsup:

Though I don't have the box set, some of Tom Petty's albums are the best I've ever heard as far as fidelity is concerned. Wildflowers and She's the One are outstanding albums.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: clamum
I prefer the sound of older albums myself. A lot of the stuff nowdays just seems too clean and cold. Listen to the newest Fall Out Boy or what-have-you and compare that to Misfits - Walk Among Us from 1982. I'll take the Misfits sound anyday.

If by older and newer, you mean the REAL, original Misfits vs. the new, shameful, drag-the-name-through-the-mud-for-a-cheap-buck Misfits, then I agree. The old Misfits were great, the new Misfits (sans the guy who actually started the band, wrote all the lyrics and music, designed and assembelled all the album covers, stickers, etc.) are complete crap. That being said, Danzig sucks now too IMO, takes himself, his muscles, and all that devil sh*t way too seriously.

I agree that Walk Among Us was probably their best album, but the older stuff (Bullet, Static Age, Horror Business, Night of the Living Dead, Halloween, and 3 Hits From Hell) was just as good. Of the later stuff, I loved Die, Die My Darling (We Bite!), but although Earth AD has its moments, its too chaotic, noisy, and out-of-tune to stand up to the rest. Anyway, I'm too old for devil-locks and spikes now, but Vampira, Last Caress, Astro-Zombies, and Skulls still get my blood pumping.

 

[sandorski]

So much Dylan hating.

I've been a big Dylan fan ever since Slow Train(the age I finally got into music). His vocals are certainly not the reason, his musical style and lyrics are. No one has a sound similar and no one writes lyrics like him either. He is simply a genius of an Artist whose Music and Lyrics will stand the test of time. It has been only recently(within last year) that I decided to checkout his pre-Rock Folk. Wow! If you want to see/hear him at his best you need to listen to his Folk stuff. Truly a Legend.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Though I don't have the box set, some of Tom Petty's albums are the best I've ever heard as far as fidelity is concerned. Wildflowers and She's the One are outstanding albums.

I consider Wildflowers a reference recording. A standard by which others should be measured.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski
Though I don't have the box set, some of Tom Petty's albums are the best I've ever heard as far as fidelity is concerned. Wildflowers and She's the One are outstanding albums.

I consider Wildflowers a reference recording. A standard by which others should be measured.

Certainly worthy of it.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski
Though I don't have the box set, some of Tom Petty's albums are the best I've ever heard as far as fidelity is concerned. Wildflowers and She's the One are outstanding albums.

I consider Wildflowers a reference recording. A standard by which others should be measured.

Certainly worthy of it.

Gonna go listen to a song right now.

Old pic...

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/spidey07/2-ch.jpg

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i'm honestly not sure what dylan is talking about. he thinks CDs sound like crap. it isn't in the engineering because he says they sound good in studio.

I know what he's talking about. With analog recordings, you were able to capture the ambiance of the location. Instruments were also miced, instead of having a direct line feed. These little details are missing in recorded music today, taking away some of the experience.