• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

dying graphics card fan

CheesePoofs

Diamond Member
I turned on my PC a few days ago and after a few seconds it made a loud roaring noise. I checked all the fans and it turned out to be the graphics card fan (this is the second time a graphics card's fan has died on me) . The card is a fx 5200 which i bought off a friend for $10, so its not really under warranty. The only way to stop the fan from roaring that i've found is to open the computer up and slow/stop the fan many times with my finger, after which it runs fine again.

Having to open up the computer and spend a few minutes slowing the fan each time i boot gets very tedious, so my question is if you think its safe to run it without the fan. I havn't done much gaming lately since this computer is junk and can barely play UT2k4, and it would not need to last that long. I really dont want to put any money into this card, so i don't want to get a new hsf for it.

However, another friend is going to be getting a 6800gt at christmas to replace his fx 5200, and so i was also wondering if you thought i'd be able to swap HSF's. I don't know if A) the fan would fit on this card or B) if it would work if it did fit.

Or .... if anyone had a spare 6800 ultra they'd like to "loan" me .......... 😀😀

EDIT: im just going to RMA a radion 9100 that i have that also has a dead fan, so no help is needed anymore. However, im still game on that 6800 ultra offer .....
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
Take it out, step on it over and over. Go to the store and buy a real card?

I'd really love to do that .... but i have to wait until january. That's when i'll be upgrading to a 6800gt and all i need is to be able to have this card survive until then.
 
I'm sure itll survive till january. The 5200's arent exactly the hottest running cards anyways even if the fan does slow down. U could always try some canned air and blow it in there or try and take it off the heatsink and give it a good cleaning.
 
Ya, I'm not sure I'd waste $15 on a 3rd party HSF if they sell them. Either clean the fan or cut the fan power and downclock it.
 
Well, the other card that i have with a dead fan is a Radeon 9100 made by crucial, and i just talked to them and they are going to replace the fan on that, so my 5200 only needs to last another week ...... then i get to jump on it. 😀
Thanks for all the help
 
WD40 has kerosene and solvents in it, which is likely to dry up quickly and also eat away the existing grease still in your fan, making it seize faster. A very light machine oil such as sewing machine oil or teflon-based bicycle chain lubricant is a better choice.

LoneWolf (current cyclist and bike mechanic in a former life)
 
No thin oil is a good choice. A thick oil which reduces shaft wobble and resists running back out of the bearing is called for. When anyone ever got the idea that thin oil is better is beyond me. but you are not alone, LoneWolf15, often I hear this misconception spread.

The IDEAL lube is one with highest film strength possible and a drop-point barely above room temp. These are not precision bearings by the time a fan is acting up, the oil/grease must fill the void and eliminate as much play as possible. Towards this end even an 80wt. gear oil is a little too thin, but a whole lot better than anything lighter.
 
Originally posted by: mindless1
No thin oil is a good choice. A thick oil which reduces shaft wobble and resists running back out of the bearing is called for. When anyone ever got the idea that thin oil is better is beyond me. but you are not alone, LoneWolf15, often I hear this misconception spread.

The IDEAL lube is one with highest film strength possible and a drop-point barely above room temp. These are not precision bearings by the time a fan is acting up, the oil/grease must fill the void and eliminate as much play as possible. Towards this end even an 80wt. gear oil is a little too thin, but a whole lot better than anything lighter.
On a small sleeve-bearing fan such as a GPU fan, too thick an oil will be more likely to gum it up, and some oils are known to soften plastics as well. A thinner oil won't last forever, but more can be added over time if necessary. I have used either light oil, or light to medium weigh bearing grease (i.e., white lithium grease or teflon-fortified bearing grease) and both have served me well. Admittedly, on a larger fan such as a 60mm-120mm case fan, I would use a heavier lubricant.

Either way, we can both agree that WD-40 is bad, right?
 
I use a toothpick to apply one or two drops of 5-30 motor oil. Not too thin, not too thick, will quiet down a noisy fan for an indefinate amount of time, provided you haven't let the bearing or shaft become severely worn by prolonged noisy operation.
 
Originally posted by: LoneWolf15

In a small sleeve-bearing fan such as a GPU fan, too thick an oil will be more likely to gum it up, and some oils are known to soften plastics as well.
Show me a fan that failed because of this "softening plastics" theory? The only place where that would be a problem is if the oil were to sit soaking into the support struts connecting the hub to the frame. Elsewhere there is lower stress, more plastic, it wouldn't matter in use. It would be VERY hard even with far too much of far too thin a lube, to cause multiple struts to be soaking in oil long enough to make a difference. It would be ever rarer for the fan to use plastic effected by common oil/lube, they ARE aware when they design them that there will be oil in the bearing.

Thicker oil will not "gum up" anything. You might be thinking of too thick a grease, OR perhaps too thin of an oil that ran out and softened up the adhesive on the label due to a non-sealing plug.

A thinner oil won't last forever, but more can be added over time if necessary.
Nothing lasts forever, but the fan will keep wearing out with the thin oil, and it will have to be applied roughly 4X as frequently, perhaps even 10X. I have fans lubed over a decade ago, once, still working fine.

I have used either light oil, or light to medium weigh bearing grease (i.e., white lithium grease or teflon-fortified bearing grease) and both have served me well. Admittedly, on a larger fan such as a 60mm-120mm case fan, I would use a heavier lubricant.
Bearing grease is for bearings, should only be used to repack a very large (larger than anything in a PC) ball-bearing, not a sleeve-bearing. You're using two opposite extremes instead of the correct lube. Larger fans do NOT use a heavier lube, they're typically better balanced and have deeper bearings, if anything they could last longer between lube intervals with a thinner lube, all other things being equal, only differences being due to the size of the fan.

Either way, we can both agree that WD-40 is bad, right?
Yes, WD-40 is bad. It should only be used in a situation where the fan "must" run immediately and there is no other lube on hand. That is not a common situation though, a used drop off of the typical car's dipstick is better so long is it's not severely contaminated, enough to look it.

By the time a fan needs lubed, it's typically making noise. There is more play in the bearing and perhaps inbalance that accelerated the wear. The lube must provide the thickest film strength reasonably possible to reduce wobble as much as possible. Wobble is going to be the far largest cause of wear once the bearing is deformed as it would be by the point a user realized a fan "needed" lubed. 2nd most problematic is run-out. It must run back out of the bearing as little as possible, not only due to gravity but the already present-wobble and even the tiny bit of inbalance present in any fan, especially a small/thin fan, though particularly once it has worn enough to be making noise or having significant enough RPM reduction that it dropped below a threshold to become noticable.

On the other hand, if we were to contrast a very large, high precision fan bearing, perhaps even one having a felt lined oil-well, it should instead use a thin oil IF the fan is relubed on a regular interval before there is significant wear to the bearing. Even larger fans might have no greater precision but by percentage due to their overall size, and could get away with a thinner lube to due greater bearing area allowing thinner film to suspend the shaft. Even so, too thin a lube would still reduce the lube interval. Remember I am not suggesting a thick grease, rather a very thin grease, only thick enough that it's drop-point is exceeded by increase of environmental temp over room temp, if it weren't already above it's drop-point at room temp. In practice a consumer is not going to be able or willing to go to this trouble determining drop-points of lubricant so the simplified term "thicker" oil is used instead. There is a tradeoff to be made though, IF the fan were in almost perfect working order then it's RPM might be reduced a slight (typically less than 5%) bit by the thicker lube, except that if one isn't very diligent in lubing the first time and each subsuquent, there is already enough bearing wear that any potential RPM reduction is offset by the RPM increase seen by reduction of wobble.

A properly lubed fan may not need relubed for a decade or longer. The lower quality and size fans often seen on video cards, and those mounted non-vertically (a sleeve-bearing fan is meant ONLY for vertical orientations unless specially, unusually loaded) may need lubed more frequently, but the lowest freqency and least wear comes from the thickest oil lube possible.
 
Back
Top