Dying child's wish to see father denied

[rasczak]

everything will balance out in the end. karma's gonna kick that warden's nuts in. :|

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I feel for the kid, but don't do the crime if you can't handle the consequences. They may be consequences you don't even anticipate, like this.

The guy is in a minimum security prison with one year left of a drug conviction.

So?

I'm sure they let some convicts go to funerals (at least in the Sopranos). But this could be more important.

Yes...lets base real life on TV

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
ATOT Effect needed: Let's go roll on this warden and grant this child's wish.

Her dying wish has been granted 3 times already....

Yep now its up to 4. And of course we, tax payers, paid for this meth dealer again to go see her.

 

[Dari]

He was finally allowed to see her thanks to ATOT and others.

http://www.ketv.com/news/15717572/detail.html

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Ns1
Sounds pretty dick of the warden.

Yep. If this story is legit, which it looks like, then it's a matter of simple human decency to allow this guy to see his daughter one last time. It's a five year term in a minimum security facility for a drug conviction, so it's hardly likely that this guy is a huge danger to society.

based on his sentence, i'm assuming he is only a user and not a dealer.

i think this should fall under the category of extreme circumstances.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: KMFJD

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
ATOT Effect needed: Let's go roll on this warden and grant this child's wish.

Her dying wish has been granted 3 times already....

Yep now its up to 4. And of course we, tax payers, paid for this meth dealer again to go see her.

That's okay with me. I don't care about him....I care about the little girl. If she wants to see him again, that's okay with me, too. Tax money is wasted on FAR worse/stupid things than this.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Anubis
wow some of you guys are truely heartless

yea. it's easy to make judgment calls sitting in the comfort of one's own home or office. I wonder how many of those here saying "tough luck" would hold to those same principles they are preaching and would not plead for a last visit to his daughter if they found themselves in a similar situation.

i bet none. hypocrites!

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

ZaneJohnson should probably read this story. I forsee something similar happening to him. Unless he is full of s*** like he seems to be.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Did you read this part of the article tho?

He has pleaded repeatedly with prison officials to honor the bureau's apparent policy of allowing furloughs and transfers under "extraordinary'' circumstances, but has been rebuffed time and again, he told ABC News in a telephone interview from prison today. He is scheduled to be transferred in August to a halfway house just an hour from his daughter's bedside, but prison officials have refused to transfer him early, he said

he is not asking just to see the kid, he is asking that his scheduled transfer be changed to an earlier date, so all this stuff you posted about man power etc is pointless. he isn't asking for that. he is asking to be sent to the halfway house a bit earlier, reducing overall tax payer burden.

it's not an unreasonable request.

Originally posted by: sutahz

Originally posted by: Dari
The guy is in a minimum security prison with one year left of a drug conviction.

Originally posted by: preslove
Wow. That's just pathetic.

Originally posted by: Ns1
Sounds pretty dick of the warden.

Originally posted by: Damn Dirty Ape
what an azzhole warden.

Originally posted by: Kadarin
Yep. If this story is legit, which it looks like, then it's a matter of simple human decency to allow this guy to see his daughter one last time. It's a five year term in a minimum security facility for a drug conviction, so it's hardly likely that this guy is a huge danger to society. ONE last time? you say that now, but then she lives for 2 more months and he (of course) wants to see her again. The line has to be drawn somewhere, I would have drawn it at 2x, or maybe even 1x)

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Indeed... WTF? Its not about him, its about HER

Originally posted by: Ns1
He must be a direct descendant of the douchebag from "the green mile"

Originally posted by: Dari
He was allowed to see her on previous occasions and she recovered remarkedbly (sic?), but not this time? WTF?(highly subjective quote. it was by the mother or fathers (inmate) sister if i recall. It could mean she went from doing absolutely nothing all day to crying and twitching some for a few days. HIGHLY subjective comment, oh and she'll say almost anything to let the child see her father YET again

Originally posted by: suse920
sucks to be her. oh noes this big bad criminal thats serving his time in a minimum security college campus cant visit his dieing daughter or else the whole justice system is doomed. If this guy was a terrorist, a murderer, or a rapist i'd have to think twice.

Originally posted by: Phokus
The warden is probably a "compassionate conservative"

Originally posted by: rchiu
It's not even about the guy, it's about the guys daughter. I can't imaging any decent human being would deny a dying child's wish of having her dad by her side. Those freaking bureaucrats who deny that is worse then some drug user in my opinion.

Originally posted by: rockyct
I could see that they wouldn't release him for a month to be with her, but they really should let him visit her at least one more time, maybe even for a day.[/b] It's always just one more time... isn't it?[/b]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
Prisoners are "incarcerated" in hospitals all the time. Just chain this guy to the next bed. WTF is the problem? It takes extra man power to accomodate this. This guy has had 3 visits, what about all the other prisoners that have extra special circumstances, tell them too bad Mr X gets to see his daughter a 4th time? Way to have compassion on all the other people that aren't getting their story in print

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Obviously, he doesn't have kids. The asswipes can't bring the dude to see his dying daughter? If he was the only one being punished here, I could see that....but this isn't about him.

Originally posted by: Captante
No kidding ... this is sickening! :disgust:

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Had he been convicted of manslaughter, he'd already be out. I'm glad they lock up all the "dangerous" people.

Originally posted by: spittledip
A little mercy is nice sometimes. 3 times not enough?

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
I feel sad for the kid... not the dad. However, for the kids sake-let her see her dad!

Originally posted by: eaj0010
I fail to see the justice the warden is upholding by not letting the girl see her dad. Now the dad will never forget the warden and if the guy is at all hostile could and probably will do his best to be vengeful.

The world we live in...

Originally posted by: SunnyD
This is a case where the penal system obviously HAS worked, the guy admits to his mistakes and wants to be a better man because of it. What's going to happen when the system jerks him over like this and he finally gets out? He obviously won't have any reason to trust anybody ever again, and will be more likely to commit another crime. The system is so retarded sometimes. And they let murderers walk free because the prisons are too crowded... wtf.

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
As a father my heart goes out. It sounds as is if the guy is painfully aware that there is no one else to blame in this situation other than himself. That has to be very hard to live with indeed.

That said, if I were him I'd find a way to get admitted to the hospital she's in. Chest pains anyone? even if he was in the same hospital (which is about 3hrs away, instead of a hospital 10min's from the prison) do you think he'd get the same room?

Originally posted by: CountZero
Yeah, screw the little girl, am I right? I mean she can wait and see him when she's dead.

Of course he is serving his time, not asking to have it reduced and in fact willing to take on a longer sentence for this granted time. The very fact that he is in a minimum security facility means he isn't perceived as a threat. Sounds to me like the warden wishes he could be running a "hardcore" maximum security prison.

The warden isn't denying the man his wish so much as he is denying the daughter her wish.

Originally posted by: zinfamous
(zin here just quoted a quote of a quote of a quote of a quote of a quote, which all say he should get to see her yet again.. so his names get on this list)

Originally posted by: irishScott
I think we can all agree that the Warden's a power-tripping douchebag as i raise my hand "i dont agree". The guy's denying a little girl her wish on her deathbed, a wish easily granted. This guy is of less use to society than the prisoner in question IMO.

Originally posted by: Anubis
wow some of you guys are truely heartless or maybe we're using our heads to see he's seen her about ever 2months for the past 7mo's and he should count himself VERY lucky for that

Originally posted by: daveshel
That's f'ing cold.

Originally posted by: manowar821
ITT: Heartless bastards.

I don't even have kids, and I'm mad at some of you. Let the poor girl see her daddy, it's not that difficult. ITT?

Originally posted by: Ns1
Sucks to be in jail, but that's what jail is. We're all human and hate to see stories like this. This isn't how its supposed to be, but there are rules and it sounds like this isn't just an issue with a cold hearted warden swinging a jail cell key around his finger with a shit eating grin on his face. They are using direct quotes from laws and policies:

child dying from cancer = extraordinary
extraordinary + high security prison + violent inmate = reasonable to deny
extraordinary + low security prison + reasonable inmate = unreasonable to deny

Originally posted by: Dari
Of course it would be extraordinary. Most people don't know when they're going to die. It just happens.

Originally posted by: FDF12389
But I would have granted it.

Originally posted by: irishScott
The dying kid requested her dad's presence. This happens to coincide with the father's wishes, which makes perfect sense; but it's still the kid's request. You do it for the kid, not the prisoner. Otherwise he's just punishing a dying kid for her father's mistakes.

Originally posted by: FDF12389
My point was that death is not extra ordinary, everyone dies, but I would do it for the kid.

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
In America, you normally don't punish the family for a criminal's actions. So letting him see her 3x is punishment? Wow, wouldn't want you to be the one in charge of anyone's punishment, that would be brutal

Originally posted by: tagej
I'm pretty much a "do the crime do the time" kind of guy, and I wouldn't hesitate to toss away the key for some criminal, but this hurts an innocent child and her sister for no particularly good reason. I'm sure if given the option the guy would gladly extend his stay in prison if they allow him out to see the dying girl. I don't get it, the prison officials must just really have it in for him, but they fail to see that they are hurting the girl.

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
..... How often could it possibly happen, anyway? given the prison population... I'd say once a day for an avg sized prison. For a smaller prison, at least weekly.

What part... of she was diagnosed terminally ill last fall (Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, some of March. 6mo's of time, and he's been granted 3 leaves to go see her. Those leaves take man power (the fact they had to use a vehicle is a very moot point im sure). Figure at least 2 people to escort him, if not 3. At least a 3hr drive, he's got those 3 people tied up all day.
How many of you that I quoted read and comprehended 3 visits in about 6 months time? I know a few did but most it seems missed that fact.
Seeing her dad the last 3 times were all "last dying wishes", they have fulfilled her dying wish(es).

I'm guessing this is how it's gone down:
Back in the fall:
Inmate: I respectfully request to see my daughter. She has been diagnosed terminally ill and has 2-3 months to live.
Prison system: Granted, we wish her well, enjoy your time with her.
<2-3 months later>
Inmate: Respectufully request to see my daughter one last time before she passes away from this horrible cancer, she hasn't much time left
Prison system: Granted, we feel sorry for your loss, god bless.
<2-3 months later>
Inmate: By gods grace my daughter still lives and I want to see her before she dies, if I could see her just once more before god takes her from me forever I would be forever grateful
Prison system: Granted. We feel for your impending loss and hope you find comfort being w/ your daughter in her most trying time.
<current day>
Inmate: It's a miracle she still lives, if I were not to see her now that would be a slap in gods face, oh you must you must you must let me see her again, I love her so much I must see her before she's gone forever
Prison system: With heavy hearts we must decline this request. Though we feel for you we have given you multiple opportunity to see your daughter, more then we'd give normal prisoners but under your circumstances we thought it just. Given the number of special requests w/ in this prison system and finite resources availible to us we regret to inform you that this time we must say no. We are very sorry.

Inmate: I didn't get my way, contact the press, THIS IS UNFAIR.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: sutahz

Originally posted by: compman25
What the hell, why even have jail then? Prison is a punishment, just because his daughter is dying is no reason to let him out repeatedly. It's too bad for her, but he is in there to be punished. Maybe if prison time was hard time less people would like it there, as it is it isn't very hard time.

Yeah but he's in there for drugs and there seems to be a few people that think he should have never gotten in trouble in the first place. If they think drugs are beneficial to a nation, not much we can do to sway their thinking (if only there was drug education in this country... if only).

ya, the war on drugs has gone really well.

sometimes policy makers have to look at efficacy of laws and policies. if those laws and policies are clearly failing, you have to take a different approach. with the war on drugs, it is clearly failing. the parrallels between the war on drugs and prohibition are so similar it's remarkable that we haven't learned our lesson yet.

 

[sutahz]

Originally posted by: Dari
He was finally allowed to see her thanks to ATOT and others.

http://www.ketv.com/news/15717572/detail.html

Sqweeky wheel gets the oil. Good job guys, breast feeding from the media.

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Did you read this part of the article though?

He has pleaded repeatedly with prison officials to honor the bureau's apparent policy of allowing furloughs and transfers under "extraordinary'' circumstances, but has been rebuffed time and again, he told ABC News in a telephone interview from prison today. He is scheduled to be transferred in August to a halfway house just an hour from his daughter's bedside, but prison officials have refused to transfer him early, he said

he is not asking just to see the kid, he is asking that his scheduled transfer be changed to an earlier date, so all this stuff you posted about man power etc is pointless. he isn't asking for that. he is asking to be sent to the halfway house a bit earlier, reducing overall tax payer burden.

it's not an unreasonable request.

So after 3 special reqests were granted you want to grant another special request for him to get out of prison early and move onto the half-way home? It's still him getting a good deal out of an event in his life that happens to some people. Again, you don't know his behavior in prison. You don't know if he deserves all this extra attention.

@PlatinumGold
So just give up? You didn't say that explicitly but does it matter if the government changes it's tactics, it's still a war on drugs, just being fought more efficiently. Who's to say the prohibition should have ever been lifted. Is alcohol beneficial for the country? Thousands upon thousands of deaths happen each year as a direct cause of alcohol. Isn't alcohol the drug w/ the biggest impact on society (in a negative way)?

I guess legalize everything right, tax it and let the people go crazygonuts. Worked for alcohol, it can work w/ meth/coke/heroin!

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I feel for the kid, but don't do the crime if you can't handle the consequences. They may be consequences you don't even anticipate, like this.

The guy is in a minimum security prison with one year left of a drug conviction.

So?

I'm sure they let some convicts go to funerals (at least in the Sopranos). But this could be more important.

i don't agree with it anyway...too many easy outs in prison.

Do your time then get back to life.

They just busted a cop in florida for supplying pot to an inmate.

Haha, you're joking right, you don't just do your time and go back to your life. If you've been in prison for any length of time, when you get out the world has past you buy, you are out dated, you are for the most part, not going to get a good paying job. The reason there are so many repeat offenders is because once on the outside, the ex-con is pushed out the door with what he had when he came in, which is nothing.
Companies won't hire an ex-con because they are a "risk", thus the ex-con has to get shit jobs making shit money. If he is on probation, he has to pay money to the probation officer or he goes back in. The correctional system is in dire need of correction. Instead of being a hell hole that only breeds monsters and makes them stronger, it really does need to focus on education and teaching of employeable skills to make sure the person doesn't come back. It doesn't have to be MIT or Harvard, but they should teach things like auto repair, welding, carpentry ect. I bet it would "correct" more people if it gave them hope that when they got out of the system they had a future or glimmer of hope.

 

[moshquerade]

update:

He was allowed to visit his daughter again, and she died shorty thereafter.

(CBS) The imprisoned father of a ten-year-old girl in the apparent final stages of a battle with brain cancer was allowed to have a half-hour, supervised visit with her Wednesday, according to CBS affiliate KMTV in Omaha.

Jayci Yeager's last wish was to see Jason Yaeger, but the warden of a federal prison camp in South Dakota, where Jason has a year left on a five-and-a-half year, drug-related sentence, has been resisting Jason's efforts to be released early to a halfway-house to enable him to spend more time with Jayci.

The warden had granted Jason two other brief, escorted trips.

Jayci is in a Lincoln, Neb. hospice.

Jayci's family members say they believe she knew Jason was there Wednesday, because they noted a spike in her heart rate during the visit.

Jason has gone so far as to appeal to President Bush for clemency. His case is pending before a federal judge.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...show/main3972040.shtml

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
update:

He was allowed to visit his daughter again, and she died shorty thereafter.

(CBS) The imprisoned father of a ten-year-old girl in the apparent final stages of a battle with brain cancer was allowed to have a half-hour, supervised visit with her Wednesday, according to CBS affiliate KMTV in Omaha.

Jayci Yeager's last wish was to see Jason Yaeger, but the warden of a federal prison camp in South Dakota, where Jason has a year left on a five-and-a-half year, drug-related sentence, has been resisting Jason's efforts to be released early to a halfway-house to enable him to spend more time with Jayci.

The warden had granted Jason two other brief, escorted trips.

Jayci is in a Lincoln, Neb. hospice.

Jayci's family members say they believe she knew Jason was there Wednesday, because they noted a spike in her heart rate during the visit.

Jason has gone so far as to appeal to President Bush for clemency. His case is pending before a federal judge.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...show/main3972040.shtml

God Bless Her - She will be playing in heaven's playground thats for sure.

 

[JJChicken]

The link doesn't say shes died yet? You sure bout that mosh?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
The link doesn't say shes died yet? You sure bout that mosh?

yeh, heard it on the news just awhile ago. they said she was waiting for her dad and let herself go after his visit. i truly believe people who are dying can do that.

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
The link doesn't say shes died yet? You sure bout that mosh?

yeh, heard it on the news just awhile ago. they said she was waiting for her dad and let herself go after his visit. i truly believe people who are dying can do that.

At least she got her wish.

 

[dbk]

well did the father get to go to the funeral at least?

 

[maziwanka]

from the title i thought it was the child's wish to see the father denied