DX11 Market Steam Hardware Survey - AMD maintains 80% of the DX11 Market

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Genx87

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When was the last time anyone here was asked to participate in the steam survey?I don't think steam automatically collects data from everyone,it's just a sample.The last time i was asked i was using a 6600gt agp card.

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MangoX

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There are a ton of Steam users. If you look back during the CS days when CS 1.6 came out everyone had to download Steam to play the game. There are probably a bunch of people that probably don't really use it, but have it installed for one reasons or another (like above). Even after I stopped playing CS, I always had Steam installed since it was just routine.
 

dust

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There are a ton of Steam users.

Take a look above: about 15 million accounts on Steam. Last I heard only AMD had 25 million DX11 cards sold since 5xxx series launch. I suppose Nvidia had also quite a few sold since April especially after the 460 launch, so maybe the figure is what, 40-45-50 million DX11 cards sold to date? How can you say the Steam survey is indeed REPRESENTATIVE, not meaningful. If you use it in conjuncture with other surveys, preferably covering the remaining units then yes, it can become representative, if not, it's just relevant for a segment of the market.
 

MangoX

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Take a look above: about 15 million accounts on Steam. Last I heard only AMD had 25 million DX11 cards sold since 5xxx series launch. I suppose Nvidia had also quite a few sold since April especially after the 460 launch, so maybe the figure is what, 40-45-50 million DX11 cards sold to date? How can you say the Steam survey is indeed REPRESENTATIVE, not meaningful. If you use it in conjuncture with other surveys, preferably covering the remaining units then yes, it can become representative, if not, it's just relevant for a segment of the market.

I'm not saying that the Steam numbers are the end all be all in terms of market share. While Steam doesn't represent the PC gaming market, it shouldn't be ignored.
 

tannat

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Funny how Ad Hominem are the trademark of the AMD camp these days...

But have you guys (AMD camp) decided amongst yourself if Steam is "valid" or not yet? :)

This is a brilliant double example of Ad Hominem.

And, what worse is, the insult lacks style.
 

Grooveriding

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I'm not saying that the Steam numbers are the end all be all in terms of market share. While Steam doesn't represent the PC gaming market, it shouldn't be ignored.

Agreed, I generally go with, well, what available metric out there is better ? :D
 

Rifter

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I think the real question is: How many Steam accounts has Lonjberg made?

This is actually one very valid point, not lonbjerg himself but think about this:


Alot of people i know make a steam account for every game they purchase, they do this so they can resell the game with the account. I know its against the rules but i know of at least 10 people personally that do this and alot of them have over 50 accounts. So the hardware stats are going to be skewed just because steam thinks thats 50 differnt computers but really its just one guy with 50 accounts.
 

toyota

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This is actually one very valid point, not lonbjerg himself but think about this:


Alot of people i know make a steam account for every game they purchase, they do this so they can resell the game with the account. I know its against the rules but i know of at least 10 people personally that do this and alot of them have over 50 accounts. So the hardware stats are going to be skewed just because steam thinks thats 50 differnt computers but really its just one guy with 50 accounts.
I cant believe you know 10 people that go through that much trouble for every game. I also cant believe those 10 people can always find somebody to buy an account just for a game.
 

Rifter

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I cant believe you know 10 people that go through that much trouble for every game. I also cant believe those 10 people can always find somebody to buy an account just for a game.

They dont sell each game, they just do it on principle as they dont like not being able to resell. I did it too till i realized it was a stupid idea and keeping track of the login info was a pain. My best friend had over 70 steam accounts but he only buys games new and pretty much never buys anything onsale, mostly pre orders new games for 10% off or whatever the presale deal is then plays them for 6 months and sells them, works for him as he NEVER replays a game.
 

Lonbjerg

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All those nice "examples" are useless...as they are..*TA-DAAA*:
statistically insignificant

More off-topic FUD? :)
 

Lonyo

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They dont sell each game, they just do it on principle as they dont like not being able to resell. I did it too till i realized it was a stupid idea and keeping track of the login info was a pain. My best friend had over 70 steam accounts but he only buys games new and pretty much never buys anything onsale, mostly pre orders new games for 10% off or whatever the presale deal is then plays them for 6 months and sells them, works for him as he NEVER replays a game.

I did it before realising the simple solution is just to not purchase games which require Steam DRM.
One of the accounts I made I did give away to someone (it was L4D and worthless by the time I got rid of it).

Now I have one account with a bunch of games from back in the day, one account with 1 game (+ expansion) on it, and one account I gave away. None of which have participated in the Steam survey since at least February.

I think I actually give away more games to friends etc than I sell, but I like to be able to do that as well.

But that's just two of the reasons that Steam isn't an accurate survey.
As many times as Lonbjerg wants to claim that the large size of the Steam userbase makes it an accurate metric, that's like saying a survey of everyone in California represents the United States as a whole because it has a large population.
 

SlowSpyder

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All those nice "examples" are useless...as they are..*TA-DAAA*:
statistically insignificant

More off-topic FUD? :)


Says the person who brings up evolution vs. creationalism into the video card forum. :)

What do you find important with these Steam statistics? People are providing examples of why we shouldn't take Steam as a be all end all snap shot of marketshare and card sales. Seems fair enough based on the examples here. People have also shown how AMD can continue to handily outsell Nvidia and maintain or lose DX share in Steam. I honestly am not sure what your argument is anymore. :/
 

exar333

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AMD maintains 80% of their 90% market share? :p
But yes, I thought the exact same thing when I read this title...

also, a lot of those DX11 cards are way too weak to actually run a game in DX11... mobility 5470? desktop 5450? ha, I would love to see those run some tessellation...

This. Also, this DX11 debate gets rehashed every few weeks here and is getting old.
 

exar333

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I haven't used Steam since HL2 ep2.

Same here. I only use Steam when I am forced to (FO3: NV).

Seriously, this debate is getting silly. Regardless of how large the sample size is, it has to be representative of the overall population. There are always the opportunity for intervening variables like "Do AMD users prefer Steam?", "does a steam account really represent a single user" plus just the fact that a lot of DX11 cards could never play a DX11 game anyway.

It's pretty obvious that AMD has a DX11 marketshare advantage since they have been selling 5xxx cards for a significant amount of time, and the 5850 and 5870 cards were the "bread and butter" of most mid-high range users until the GTX 460 came out earlier this year.
 

railven

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Says the person who brings up evolution vs. creationalism into the video card forum. :)

What do you find important with these Steam statistics? People are providing examples of why we shouldn't take Steam as a be all end all snap shot of marketshare and card sales. Seems fair enough based on the examples here. People have also shown how AMD can continue to handily outsell Nvidia and maintain or lose DX share in Steam. I honestly am not sure what your argument is anymore. :/

Simple:

Steam growth == nVidia outselling AMD.

No ifs ands or buts. This has been gone over ad nauseum. I don't get why you guys keep getting sucked into it. Just ignore the obvious.
 

Genx87

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It is a personal preference of course. But I refuse to buy any game except Blizzard titles unless they are on Steam. Blizzard titles I purchase through battle.net and download the installers. I am done with physical media and have for years.
 

Grooveriding

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Considering huge titles like the Call of Duty series mandate steam and how popular CS:S and TF2 are, it's a safe bet a lot of PC gamers have steam installed.
 

taltamir

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Simple:

Steam growth == nVidia outselling AMD.

No ifs ands or buts. This has been gone over ad nauseum. I don't get why you guys keep getting sucked into it. Just ignore the obvious.

actually... to maintain a 90% AMD 10% nvidia market share, AMD needs to sell 90/10 = 9 cards per every 1 card nvidia sells.
to maintain an 80% AMD 20% nvidia it needs to sell 80/20 = 4 cards per every 1 nvidia is selling.

if AMD is selling 2 cards per every 1 card nvidia is selling, then nvidia's market share will continue to grow until it is 66.67% AMD and 33.33% nvidia. (a simple limit going to infinity, 66.67/33.33 = 2).

if AMD is selling 1 card per every 1 card nvidia is selling, then it will move towards a 50% market share each.

What does this math mean? it means that we know AMD does NOT outsell nvidia by MORE than 4 to 1. it can still be outselling nvidia by any lower figure, or nvidia could be outselling AMD, we cannot tell from the figures given.
 
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Wreckage

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I have a scientifically dubious chart too. Tiger Direct's top selling graphics cards as of right now:


1. EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SC Ed 1GB
2. EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1
3. EVGA GeForce 9500 GT 1GB DDR2
4. XFX Radeon HD 5770 1GB DDR5 PC
5. EVGA GeForce GTX 460 Supercloc
6. EVGA GeForce 210 1GB DDR3 HDMI
7. EVGA GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1
8. PNY GeForce GTX 460 XLR8 OverC
9. Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 1GB GD
10. Galaxy GeForce GT 430 1GB GDDR



I hope AMD can start making more than $1-2 million when it owns that much of the DX11 marketshare.

That is a good point. With such a large marketshare why are they not making much money? Are they selling their cards at a loss, just to keep up? I'm not sure how sustainable that is in the long run.
 
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That is a good point. With such a large marketshare why are they not making much money? Are they selling their cards at a loss, just to keep up? I'm not sure how sustainable that is in the long run.

Yes, these laggards red goblins think just because their chip is half the size (HD 6870 - GTX 470) means they can make profit while nVidia cannot.

HAHA

Bankrupt asap AMD, you are no good.