SolMiester
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Reason?Anyhow this 460 in sig rig is pending sale. I'm done with NV. Never again.
Reason?Anyhow this 460 in sig rig is pending sale. I'm done with NV. Never again.
+1 GTX460. The numbers in the OP don't matter much.
but how could a pc gamer not own at least one title thats on Steam?its not a MARKET trend, its STEAM trend. how many % of people in the world who buy video cards use steam? and allow reporting of this information? i bet its single digits.
(obviously i don't use steam, but i assume it asks you before adding your info to the database.)
but how could a pc gamer not own at least one title thats on Steam?
I just cant believe an avid pc gamer would not have any games like HL 2, TF 2, Portal, L4D or others. and some games such as Metro 2033, FEAR 2, Mafia 2 and Just Cause 2 require Steam even if they are not made by Valve.very very few titles are steam exclusives. if you don't like valve games then you can buy anything else on steam elsewhere.
I just cant believe an avid pc gamer would not have any games like HL 2, TF 2, Portal, L4D or others. and some games such as Metro 2033, FEAR 2, Mafia 2 and Just Cause 2 require Steam even if they are not made by Valve.
its not a MARKET trend, its STEAM trend. how many % of people in the world who buy video cards use steam? and allow reporting of this information? i bet its single digits.
(obviously i don't use steam, but i assume it asks you before adding your info to the database.)
To be sure, there is some gain in sampling accuracy which comes from increasing sample sizes. Common sense - and sampling theory - tell us that a sample of 1,000 people probably is going to be more accurate than a sample of 20. Surprisingly, however, once the survey sample gets to a size of 500, 600, 700 or more, there are fewer and fewer accuracy gains which come from increasing the sample size. Gallup and other major organizations use sample sizes of between 1,000 and 1,500 because they provide a solid balance of accuracy against the increased economic cost of larger and larger samples. If Gallup were to - quite expensively - use a sample of 4,000 randomly selected adults each time it did its poll, the increase in accuracy over and beyond a well-done sample of 1,000 would be minimal, and generally speaking, would not justify the increase in cost.
Every single survey out there would love to have a base of +100.000 participants.
You know how many people are asked in a eg. Gallup poll?
~1.000 people.
Read up on polls, sample sizes and accuracy:
Read up on sampling methods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)#Sampling_methods
This might help.
If I go to Texas and as people about their political preferences, that's not going to tell me anything about US political attitudes. Even if I ask every single Texan.
Equally, asking Steam users about their hardware isn't going to tell me anything about the overall computer market.
Steam is made up of gamers.
You find me other people buying a GTX580 or a 6970 than gamers?
Perhaps you sould head you own words?
but how could a pc gamer not own at least one title thats on Steam?
Yes, it's a selection of gamers, therefore it's not the whole market.
The poster you quoted said that Steam trends didn't show market trends. It doesn't, because the market is more than just gamers.
Are you that dense?
Someone: "Steam shows Steam trends not market trends"
You: "Learn statistics man"
Me: "Steam isn't representative"
You: "Learn statistics because Steam shows gamers".
Gamers still aren't the entire market, no matter how many times you tell people to learn about statistics.
So you couldn't think of any none-gamers that is buying a GTX580...gotcha.
I just cant believe an avid pc gamer would not have any games like HL 2, TF 2, Portal, L4D or others. and some games such as Metro 2033, FEAR 2, Mafia 2 and Just Cause 2 require Steam even if they are not made by Valve.
Dude, what are you even trying to say?
I own a few Steam games.
I haven't added my hardware to the Steam survey since maybe February or something.
Just because you have it doesn't mean you add your stuff.
I also haven't used Steam more than about 3 times in the last 6 or so months.
Read my post, it states quite cleary what I am typing.
You find any none-gamers buying GTX580 in larger quantities, then you have a point..otherwise you don't.
Reason?
Your post is unrelated to mine. I never said anything about GTX580s.
I said that Steam isn't representative of the overall graphics card market. It still isn't.
Just because it provides a sample of the gamer market still doesn't make it representative of the gaming market.
One reason for this is that not everyone has Steam games, or reports their hardware for the survey.
Add to that the fact that many NV games come bundled with Mafia 2, which as noted above requires Steam, and you are more likely, based on that, to have more NV users having Steam accounts. That means it's even less representative at the higher end because the sample is quite likely to be skewed.
Steam is not representative of the market. It's probably not representative of gamers either, especially at the high end where the sample size is small, and there are factors which will likely impact the chance of someone being registered on Steam.
It might be a useful tool for getting an idea of the way that gaming hardware is going, when taken as a whole, but it can't be used to say "this is what the market is, this is how well things are selling, this product is successful, these are the marketshares of each company".
Dude, what are you even trying to say?
ATI's 5 series were fantastic cards and did a wonderful job bringing high performance to DX9 and DX10 games 6 months before NV had anything to say about it, and 9 months before NV had an affordable alternative.
Hell I own[ed, see sig] 2 5770's and I loved them, fantastic cards.
That being said, you have to be blind or infused with a certain special kind of fanboy rage to even attempt to defend ATI's tessellation performance. ATI's fixed function tessellator was probably a big part of the reason the 5 series launched on time (it was old hat by then) but now its really demonstrated to be the weakest point in their DX11 arch. There is really no other way to slice it. Does it provide playable framerates? Yeah sure. Does it provide the same framerate the competitor does? NO. And that's all that matters. Quit whining about it and accept it.
It looks like the 6900 series spec sheets were saying something about twin tesselators, and seeing how a single tessellation engine provides roughly half the competition's frames, two should (roughly) bring both ATI & Nvidia to parity, no?
Then everyone wins.
+1 GTX460, sexy little card it is.
