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DVI cables, are they all the same?

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Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: thelush84
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: thelush84
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: thelush84
Yes they are.

Are what?


The standard. Sure there are cheaper cables that are probably just as good, but in the eyes of most in the know they are still the standard.

You are crazy dude. Go to any HT website and they will tell you not to buy monster.

For value + quality they will refer you to www.bluejeanscable.com (or equivalent such as RAM)

For the high of high end they might suggest www.bettercables.com

You simply will not see monster recommended.

I bet you think that a digital coax cable is different from the cable used in composite video too...


They both use the same RCA-style cable but for different mediums. No difference in cable.

Look, no need to talk crap like you are smarter than me or whatever because you and I have different preferences or views. I like Monster better and that is that, end of story and they lived happily ever after.

I bet you think witty remark online make you cool.



I don't care if you like monster, I really don't. When I worked at Sears it got me lots of $$ if I sold them. If people wanted them, I would give them to them. I wouldn't suggest them outright however.

Monster uses marketing hype to sell cable. Promises on the back of the best picture possible and a dramatic increase in color are simply not true. Copper = Copper. Unless you have a house wired like Bill Gates', you will not have enough noise to make any noticeable difference to any shielded cable. Whether it be $5 or $150.

The reason I criticized your post is because of your argument that the home theater community uses monster as its reference. Where did you get this because I, and I am sure Jello, want to know. I have never been to a ht website that outright recommends them as the best solution.


I've personally trusted Monster ever since buying their Xbox Hi-Def Component Cables. The difference between their cables and the ones supplied by Microsoft (component) made a very noticable difference. Sharper image, better color representation and more detail. It was noticable, very noticable.

I also use to use a pair of normal rca wires to hook my DVD player up to my tv via component inputs and I thought they looked great 'till I used a spendy set of Montster sheilded component cables. Big difference there as well.

From personal experience I have not been let down my Monster and because they are a big name like Intel, everyone seems to root for the other guy just out of spite. Maybe Monster isn't the best, but I like them and so do a lot of other people and not just because of their marketing gimmick. Not everyone is a dumbass like we want to beleive when they go with another brand we don't use.
 
Monster is like BOSE. We aren't videophiles here, so video cables aren't exactly top priority, so most people are ok with Monster, but if you think about it, it's like getting BOSE which most peopel agree sucks (but then again not everyone can distinguish anyways.. stupid fanboys)
 
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Monster is like BOSE. We aren't videophiles here, so video cables aren't exactly top priority, so most people are ok with Monster, but if you think about it, it's like getting BOSE which most peopel agree sucks (but then again not everyone can distinguish anyways.. stupid fanboys)


I would never say that Bose "sucks", what I would say is that they are overpriced, overmarketed and using "old school" technology for some of their products.

Bose speakers DO produce good sound, but there are better out there.
 
Originally posted by: thelush84

I've personally trusted Monster ever since buying their Xbox Hi-Def Component Cables. The difference between their cables and the ones supplied by Microsoft (component) made a very noticable difference. Sharper image, better color representation and more detail. It was noticable, very noticable.

I also use to use a pair of normal rca wires to hook my DVD player up to my tv via component inputs and I thought they looked great 'till I used a spendy set of Montster sheilded component cables. Big difference there as well.

From personal experience I have not been let down my Monster and because they are a big name like Intel, everyone seems to root for the other guy just out of spite. Maybe Monster isn't the best, but I like them and so do a lot of other people and not just because of their marketing gimmick. Not everyone is a dumbass like we want to beleive when they go with another brand we don't use.

That's all well and good but...

#1. Where is the home theater community that uses monster as its standard?

#2. Did you do a blind test with both cables?

You might want to look at this:

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27287

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/aud...onnects/pdf/cable_thd_measurements.pdf


AMAZING DIFFERENCES:

http://www.pbase.com/chunkofunk/video_cable_comparison_screen_shots
 
That proves nothing to me. I have PERSONALLY witnessed the difference in low-quality MS provided component cables as opposed to higher quality Monster component cables for my Xbox, and yes, the difference is noticable. Worth the extra $40? It makes me feel better more than it makes the picture better, but the difference in picture IS noticable. Better color representation and more image data transfered to the screen. The proof is in the pudding as they say.
 
Originally posted by: thelush84
That proves nothing to me. I have PERSONALLY witnessed the difference in low-quality MS provided component cables as opposed to higher quality Monster component cables for my Xbox, and yes, the difference is noticable. Worth the extra $40? It makes me feel better more than it makes the picture better, but the difference in picture IS noticable. Better color representation and more image data transfered to the screen. The proof is in the pudding as they say.


Yeah and they also say, "your eyes deceive you"

I would challenge you to have a friend hook up your DVD player with monster cables and then some cheap RS or phillips ones and try and point out which are the monster each time. I bet you would be surprised what you find out.

Those links should mean something to you because, there is scientific and ACTUAL images for you to look at. The cables in that comparison ranged from $15 to $100. Do you see a difference between the shots?

PS. Still waiting on the answer to #1
 
I looked at the shots and saw no difference, but dude, I swear to my god and whatever god you beleive in that I have noticed differences. Hey, even if it is my eyes deceiving me that's okay because as long as I "think" it's working better I will be happy. You know what I mean?

Also, you will never get an answer to number one. I put my foot in my mouth when I said that. Bah!
 
Originally posted by: thelush84
I looked at the shots and saw no difference, but dude, I swear to my god and whatever god you beleive in that I have noticed differences. Hey, even if it is my eyes deceiving me that's okay because as long as I "think" it's working better I will be happy. You know what I mean?

Also, you will never get an answer to number one. I put my foot in my mouth when I said that. Bah!


Its all good, I just sometimes get all worked up when I see something I pretty much know is not true. Sorry for giving you a hard time, but I love to argue(in real life too 😉)

That said, I agree that if you think you saw a difference it might be worth it. But I would also recommend maybe trying that blind test next time, if you still can see a difference, the keep buying monster. However, if you can't, use the money you save on some better speakers/TV/DVD player/Receiver/Women 😉

Have a good night! Oh and welcome to AT...even if it may not have been the warmest of welcomes 😉 sorry dood
 
Originally posted by: EvilRage
Hey Jello, I know that Monster cables are overpriced, but if one could get, say, 60% off of the regular retail price or so, would it still be that bad of a deal? While I'm aware that Monster Cable surely isn't the highest quality cable, they still make decent enough stuff, do they not?

In addition, what is your opinion on the AudioQuest brand of cables and connections? Are they just an over-the-top overpriced version of Monster Cable, or are they really worth the price premium you'd pay for them? Again, if you were to slash about 60% off the price of those, would they be worth it if they weren't already?

And regarding DVI cables... while the connection and quality is often similar between brands, I was under the impression that the more expensive/higher quality manufacturers had better shielding to prevent ambient radio waves/sounds etc from interfering with the quality of the signal? I know this is true for analog cables, but since DVI and all other digital cables either work 100% or don't work at all (Digital = 1s and 0s, either on or off), could the same be said for digital cables and such?

I think with DVI and HDMI cables the only issue is if you're doing really long runs. Even then you're probably not going to notice a difference. I think the really low quality ones might have slight issues with timing of the signal, but as long as the cable is of decent quality I think they're pretty much the same. I haven't done any comparisons though.

In fact John just PM-ed me yesterday saying he just ordered a $12 HDMI DVI converter to compare to his $50 Bluejeanscable one. I'll let you guys know the result when he tells me if he sees the difference.

As for a discount, if you can get the upper brands that retail stores carry at less than half price, then go ahead.
I'm not saying monstercable etc. are bad cables, just that they're horribly overpriced.
Cables are one area that stores like Best Buy make some of their biggest profit margins.
 
Jeas, I didn't mean to start an all out war. I was going to pick up a new Belkin one from gateway for $30 as others are asking $60 for it. I figured with it being 3 years old I thought that it may not work as well. I will try it though.
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Well, maybe microsoft really sucks at making component cables 😉



They do. Ask anyone who has used the Monster versions of that cable after using the ones from MS. Seriously, the ones from MS are garbage and there are performence gains when stepping up, notably in color representation.
 
Generally speaking, Monster Cable products are far superior to the throw-in cables that most mfgrs give you when you buy a component. On paper anyway.

My experience with Monster Cable is admittedly confined to audio (CD) and video (DVD/ TV) cables. I own one set of each, and I got deals on both. I've owned each for about 15 years with no probs whatsoever. I can't comment on their computer cables.

Above, I said, "On paper anyway." What I meant was this: There shouldn't be any dispute about, say, their audio & video cables being a cut above the throw-in cables you get when you buy a DVD player or CD player or something from whatever mfgr. Things like Monster's low-loss dielectrics, silver content solder connections, flexible Duraflex jackets, oxygen-free multi-stranded copper wire, gold plated turbine connectors, gold plated split-tip center pins, EMI shielding, and other attributes certainly make them better than throw-in cables, which have none of those features (that I know of). If nothing else, the gold plated connectors and center pins make them corrosion resistant, and corrosion build-up can absolutely cause signal loss in a video/audio connection.

So "on paper," Monster Cable makes some nice cables (and keep in mind they have several quality/price levels to their cables). Are they the best you can get? Unlikely. There are "enthusiast"/audiophile cables costing gazillions of dollars that are even more exotic and that probably perform even better in lab tests. Are Monster Cables overpriced? Perhaps. You're paying for the name, which is rarely good. Are there comparable cables that cost less? I wouldn't doubt it. Also keep in mind that back in the day, Monster Cable was considered esoteric. Now they're "mainstream," and like many in this thread have pointed out, they're ubiquitous at Best Buy, Good Guys and other consumer electronics stores. They produced a high quality product 20 years ago, built up their name and reputation, and got rewarded with success. So now others target them and wanna bash them. That doesn't make them "junk," and I've never seen any Monster marketing materials wherein they claim to be the best cables on earth.

Again, "on paper" is the key to all this IMHO. Reason I say that is that credible lab tests, by qualified professionals, will almost certainly show that better cables provide better performance ... but most people won't notice a tangible difference between cables in their own homes/offices, provided they aren't using utter junk. But some people (and I'm one of 'em) like knowing that what they're listening to or looking at is more likely to be accurate because they're using quality components/cables. Whether or not we can tell the difference in a direct A/B comparison is almost irrelevant; in many instances, you'd have to be professionally trained to tell differences in A/B comparisons of cables, and have the test equipment to conduct those comparisons. And how many Average Joes have either of those things? As with any quality cable or component, just knowing you're using quality is, to some of us, worth paying a few extra $$. So we read test reports and buy high performance cables so we can assume what we're looking at or listening to is accurate (irrespective of the other components in the chain).

I bought my Monster Cables about 15 years ago, and at the time there weren't a lot of high-end cables to choose from. And they were easy & convenient to buy. I'm happy with 'em, but I also know they're not the absolute best cables out there (which I don't need anyway). I'll prolly at least consider others next time I need some nice cables, as there are a lot more on the market now. You wanna see exotic, expensive cables & other components? Check out MusicDirect.com. Just know that you might have to mortgage your house to buy some of their offerings. :Q (Well, not quite, but ....)

While I don't own any of Monster's computer cables, I see no reason to suspect them of being lower quality than their others. I would suspect, however, that differences in materials & construction would be less important with, say, a DVI connection. There isn't as much to a computer connection as there is with an audio or video cable connection, so as long as the connector ends are sturdy and the cables are solidly built otherwise, I doubt if anyone would be able to tell the difference in a typical installation. Gold plating will deter corrosion, which I suppose could help if you live in a very humid area (which many people do). Incidentally, some might say that Belkin is the Monster Cable of computer cables -- I definitely find Belkin products to be way overpriced.

My long-winded two cents. 😀

PS: Don't even think about calling me a Monster "fanboy." Not gonna fly, so don't go there. 😉
 
monster cable is better than the crap manufacturers bundle. But they are not worth it. you can get quality cables for much less. typically the cheap cables skimp on the wire gauge and shielding (if applicable).

but, not all dvi cables are the same. DVI has different specs, and then there is dual link. shop around, i got my dvi cable (needed a longer one) from newegg. my usual cable place still is pccables.com, when all i need is a cable. there is also partsexpress.com, and cyberguys.com. Depends on what cables you need.
 
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