DVE HD BASICS (Review)

VIAN

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I've never owned a DVE calibration disc. Before this disc, I used to use AVIA to calibrate my TV. My TV is a Sony 32S3000, and it is connected via HDMI to a PS3, which I used as my BD player.

Opening the HD Basics case reveals three color filters all in one single item. This is great compared to AVIA. Lift the paper holder up and move you head up or down depending on the filter you want. And the paper holder itself is a tool to check the grayscale. AWSOME INCLUSION!

The HD Basics BD starts by giving you a crippled menu, but with a question: Where would you like to start? The question was a good start, but the execution reveals that they didn?t even put thought into the menu:

COMPLETE PROGRAM MENU - Self explanatory.
HD IN DETAIL - Video shows how to setup Environment, Audio, and Video (more descriptions of Video things like scan-lines, color quality, etc).
SETTING UP MY HDTV - Video shows how to use Basic Test Patterns.
JUST THE TEST PATTERNS - Basic Test Patterns.

The three lower items act like short-cuts to items in the Complete Program Menu. I don't like this menu because it's so annoying to get back into it and because the title of each item is very vague. "HD In Detail" - How vague is that? "Setting Up My HDTV" - Do you mean how to connect the wires to it? Also, having the Complete Program Menu at the top sort of contradicts their efforts to make it simple. Instead it should have been last, and called Advanced Menu or some similar crap that would?ve kept the average Joe from venturing in there.

Once you enter an item you cannot return to this menu unless you press the Top Menu button on your controller, which shows a loading screen. When you enter an item, you can press Back to go to the Complete Program menu:

INTRO TO HD - Video shows why we need to calibrate, new technologies and CRT matching, how wide color gamut sucks (possible shot at Sony?), and video compression.
HD IN DETAIL - Video shows how to setup Environment, Audio, and Video (more descriptions of Video things like scan-lines, color quality, etc).
HD VIDEO CALIBRATION - Known as Setting Up My HDTV in the top menu, this video shows how to use Basic Test Patterns.
BASIC VIDEO SETUP PATTERNS - Known as Just The Test Patterns in the top menu, this item shows the Basic Test Patterns.
AUDIO TEST SIGNALS - Self explanatory.
ADVANCED VIDEO TEST PATTERNS - More test patterns. Allows the option of 1080p or 720p. Doesn?t seem useful to me.
DEMONSTRATION MATERIALS - Some videos to look at for viewing HD picture. Allows the option of 1080p or 720p. Narration by Joe Kane is also an option, but only in 1080p.
CREDITS - Shows who you should complain about if you dislike the BD.

Alot of the information on the 90 minutes worth of videos can get very technical and is not important to calibration or to the average Joe. The narrator sounds monotonous and throws in a few, really stupid jokes. It can also seem repetitive sometimes because every time he refers back to something he repeats that something almost entirely. It also sounds like a rant sometimes as the Narrator tends to sound disgusted with certain practices of HDTV manufacturers and goes on to say the beliefs of JKP.
There are also no titles to each chapter of video and very little emphasis is place on calibration information that is mixed in with all the other technical information. So I watched everything and picked out the information that I thought was important, but it doesn?t mean I couldn?t have missed something.

None of the the Video Test Patterns allow you to calibrate Tint. How did they miss that and why? They went in so much detail on everything else.

The Navigation Menu is similar to the HD DVD menu, if you're familiar with it, but isn't as easy to navigate through. When you enter a menu item, a chapter selection thing shows up. What sucks about this is that to select the next chapter, which is below the current one, you need to press Up instead of Down. Then if you want to get back to the Complete Program Menu, there is no item to do so. You have to figure out to press Back. In only three menu items is there the selection to go Back. This is inconsistent and isn't intuitive.

Every Menu item has a description of it on the right of it that tries to describe in more detail what the item does, or how to use the test pattern if the item is for one. However, it fails. It?s too verbose and not simple enough for the average Joe to understand what to do with it properly. It is also shown in too small font.

I also found a bug. If I press the Menu button while looking at a Test Pattern, the image becomes cropped. I fixed this by going back to the Top Menu. It?s happened to me twice so far. This is obviously something that can get very annoying and is the true testament of how much work JKP put into this BD.

DVE HD Basics isn?t as easy as they say it is to navigate and understand the full use of video patterns. However, JKP do provide the nice color filter item and there are true HD color patterns here unlike SD calibration discs. If you?re an enthusiast, you may also find some of the technical information fun to know. My main complaint is that they could?ve made it so much easier to use by using common sense. It?s just plain ridiculous the mistakes that they made in this edition.


Update: I just remembered, from AVIA, how to adjust the TINT control. Use the blue filter on the pattern used to adjust color. Make sure all the blue boxes are an equal shade of blue.
 

erwos

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So, nice review, but my question is, did it help picture quality noticeably? Was it worth the cost?
 

VIAN

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It didn't help make the picture look better. Also since it advised me to turn off wide color gamut, the picture didn't look as realistic.

The changes that were made were as follows:

Contrast - since the JKP didn't say there was a brightness limit to this setting, I was able to put it as high as possible.
Color - To achieve more accurate color with the HD color scale, I turned off Wide Color Gamut, as well as Live Color, both of which helped achieve more accurate color with SD calibration discs.
Sharpness - Turned it almost all the way down from the halfway point.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: VIAN
It didn't help make the picture look better. Also since it advised me to turn off wide color gamut, the picture didn't look as realistic.
So you're saying it wasn't worth the effort, right? Picture didn't look better, and wasn't as realistic.
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: VIAN
It didn't help make the picture look better. Also since it advised me to turn off wide color gamut, the picture didn't look as realistic.
So you're saying it wasn't worth the effort, right? Picture didn't look better, and wasn't as realistic.

Was it worth the effort or the money. I like that the color filter thing a lot better than AVIA's and I did learn some interesting things so I don't think it was a waste of money. It was just disappointing in how much easier they could've done it.

Does the picture look worse? Technically, you could say it looks a tad worse. BUT, it is now closer to reference levels.
 

pennylane

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Since you've used AVIA before, it seems like you're familiar with calibrating TV's. But if the TV is properly calibrated, perhaps you're just not used to the more accurate picture. I have the SD version of DVE and it was very helpful in getting a more accurate and better picture.

Did you use the color filter to adjust color/tint? You're supposed to adjust color and tint at the same time with the same test pattern. It seems like you just turned off a setting or two and that was it.
 

VIAN

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Originally posted by: fanerman91
Did you use the color filter to adjust color/tint? It seems like you just turned off a setting or two and that was it.

Since you've used AVIA before, it seems like you're familiar with calibrating TV's. But if the TV is properly calibrated, perhaps you're just not used to the more accurate picture. I have the SD version of DVE and it was very helpful in getting a more accurate and better picture.

Yes I recalibrated everything that I could have, except Tint, which there was no option for. I was just stating the major changes before. The difference isn't crazy, its just that I prefer the more colorful video that the wide color gamut offers because I think it looks more realistic. But if it isn't at reference, then what's the point.

With the wide color gamut turned on and the Live color set at off. I get more accurate blues and greens but the reds suffer. Something like Blue would be accurate with color set at 45, Green at 55, Red at 65. Although this provided some fascinating reds. With the wide color gamut turned off. I get more accurate blues and reds, but the greens take a big hit. Something like Blue is good at 45, Red at 55, Green at 75, I've read before that people don't notice green errors as much as the other colors so I left it that way. I left the color at 50. I didn't want to get away from Blues too much since they display the largest change when color is changed.

It could be just that my TV is retarded. I would expect very little difference between the images calibrated with this disc compared to your current calibration disc. It would just be more accurate.
 

pennylane

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In case you missed my edit, unless the HD version of DVE is different from SD, you're supposed to calibrate color and tint at the same time. It's difficult and more time consuming, but they affect each other.

Have you compared your settings with other users? I'm sure the S3000 line has a settings thread over at AVS Forum. I have a Sony A3000 (SXRD) and the settings I got when I calibrated are pretty close to what other users are reporting for their TV's.
 

VIAN

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There are no instructions to calibrate Tint. BTW read my previous post because it put more info in it.

BTW here are my settings:

Backlight: Auto
Picture: Max
Brightness: 50
Color: 50
Hue: 0 (left from AVIA)
Color Temp: Warm2
Sharpness: 5

Everything else is off. PS3 RGB is set to Limited.
 

pennylane

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Originally posted by: VIAN
There are no instructions to calibrate Tint. BTW read my previous post because it put more info in it.

Hmm, okay.

I think adjusting tint would help get all 3 colors to be more accurate. I'm not sure if there are any tricks to adjusting tint. You just use the same color test pattern and play with both color and tint at the same time. What I ended up doing was just leaving color at say 45, then adjusting tint until I could get it most accurate and keeping track of how accurate that was. Then I'd bump color up to 46, then adjust tint again. Then I'd just compare and see which pair of settings was best. It's tedious, but it worked for me.

Also, what is your color temperature at? I think warm1 or warm2 is best. And are you using either cinema or custom mode? Those 2 settings may also be important.

Here's the AVS thread for your TV: settings/calibration thread

Most people didn't adjust the tint at all. My Sony TV was pretty accurate out of the box and I didn't have to make drastic changes. Just keep in mind not everybody knows what they're talking about...
 

pennylane

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Hmm those settings seem pretty reasonable, I would guess.

I guess I'd say to just see if you get used to the settings. Sometimes going to a more accurate picture looks "worse", but when you get used to it and you see what an inaccurate picture looks like, you'll appreciate the accurate picture better.

Best of luck.
 

VIAN

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Now I remember how to adjust Tint! You use the blue filter and make sure the all the blue boxes match each other.

Well, they do that, so adjust the tint won't help. I used Cinema.