Dune trailer

[Kaido]

Getting caught up on my trailers...hopefully this turns out better than the last few! Due out October 1, 2021

 

[Spacehead]

Certainly has potential. Director & cast are top notch, looks like pretty decent writers.

It is the first of a planned two-part adaptation of the 1965 novel of the same name by Frank Herbert, which will cover roughly the first half of the book.

Bad part is having to wait to see the whole thing but i guess we're sort of getting used to that nowadays.

Looks like the mini series had good reviews. Never saw it... worth seeking out?
I liked the David Lynch movie... not great by any means but i still like it.

 

[Baked]

That trailer looks bad ass. I can't wait for the movie to drop. Meanwhile, I went back to watch the original Dune.

 

[BoomerD]

Looks better than the...1984? version. That one was horrid.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Looks better than the...1984? version. That one was horrid.

The art design of the 1984 version was exceptional. The narrative flow of Herbert’s writing is not cinematic, but I though Lynch hit many of the notes, but where he deviated from the source material, it didn’t make sense, especially with Feyd and the weirding way.

This new version looks intriguing but I am not loving the casting, particularly Duncan, Gurney and Duke Leto. I do however love the Fremen and Harkonnen casting and can’t wait to see who they cast as Feyd, and it seems this version does a better job of representing the tech of Dune, particularly the personal shields, and I am curious to see how they handle the weirding way, which the 1984 version did botch (although I do have fond memories playing Army in the backyard with friends and making the weirding sound effects whenever we fired our water pistols).

One curious note about the trailer. Given the religious undertones of the Dune universe, Herbert did a good job of combining different religious influences, particularly with the Bene Gesserit and Fremen. It’s interesting that Herbert uses the term “jihad” to reference the religious wars of his universe, but in the trailer, Paul Atreides says “crusade”. The Butlerian jihad is particularly important to the entire Dune universe.

 

[Artorias]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but they haven't shown the guild navigators yet? Will be interesting to know which direction they go with. In any case I'm excited that it will be a proper two part adaptation.

 

[mikeymikec]

I know I'm / my-ish generation are totally being marketed to with Pink Floyd - Eclipse, but damn, it's a good siren call. Plus I'd love to see a decent film version of Dune.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but they haven't shown the guild navigators yet? Will be interesting to know which direction they go with. In any case I'm excited that it will be a proper two part adaptation.

They haven’t shown the guild navigators or Feyd yet, or the emperor. Also wondering if the Sardaukar will wear the same power armor as House Atreides and Harkonnen seem to be wearing.

 

[Muse]

I have not read the book. Is it worth reading? If so, someone please explain how great an experience it is reading this book!

 

[sdifox]

I have not read the book. Is it worth reading? If so, someone please explain how great an experience it is reading this book!

Just borrow the trilogy and read it. Skip the rest.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I have not read the book. Is it worth reading? If so, someone please explain how great an experience it is reading this book!

Dune is a pretty awesome read, as it takes the time to build its universe and establish the motivations of all the players, with no one faction standing out as the good guys. It reads more like if someone took the historical wars of medieval and imperial Europe, and added space ships and mind altering drugs to it.

 

[Kaido]

I have not read the book. Is it worth reading? If so, someone please explain how great an experience it is reading this book!

Sci-fi classics & any book or movie really are easy to over-hype. Personally Dune is one of my favorite books. But if you go into it forced then it's just going to be over-hyped like anything else lol. I really enjoyed reading it & re-read it every few years. Although the sequels are mostly meh. Sort of like Ender's Game, the OG book was good but the sequels were mostly just sequels.

 

[DigDog]

Looks better than the...1984? version. That one was horrid.

Boomer ... why.

 

[DigDog]

I have not read the book. Is it worth reading? If so, someone please explain how great an experience it is reading this book!

It is *very* similar to the film. There are no changes to the story, there is a minor plot difference where there are no weirding modules, and the Voice is simply taught, which makes sense from a perspective of a milieu where guilds closely guard their secrets. There is some additional background to the Bene Gesserit which is implied in the film so you really are not missing much. The visuals in the Lynch film perfectly capture the background of the book's world.

Just to be clear - Dune (1984) is one of the greatest films ever made, and you either love it or you don't get it. I say that knowing full well that Kyle MacLachlan is horrible in it and that Jurgen Prochnow will probably go down in history as the most wooden actor ever. Despite ALL of the faults that Dune has, it still remains one of the most visionary science fiction films to have ever been made, and, it fully captures the story in the book, brings it to life, and adds to it.

I love the weirding modules. It helps explain how a bunch of random cavemen can use the Voice despite not being genetically suited for it.

I love the rain on Arrakis.
This is the most anal of all the subjects when it comes to Dune (1984) because there is no rain in the book. I .. will explain.

The spice is a quasi-magical substance that fantastically mutates people into creatures with outwordly powers. The Navigators are simple humans, but due to their excessive consumption of spice, they become horrible floating worm-things.
In the book's milieu, the elite take a small dose of spice and it prolongs their life. Specialist spice-users take much larger doses and, in conjunction with mind training and selective genetic breeding, they obtain magical powers. The Bene Gesserit have the Voice and precognition, plus a limited form of ESP. The Navigators have teh ability to fold space.
Dune strongly states that men and women are substantially different, no man can be a Gesserit and no woman can be a Navigator.

Paul is a special human, because of the genetic breeding program of the Gesserit. In the world of Dune, the guilds *are* the empire. The empire has survived the Butlerian jihad only because of the Guilds, so the Gesserits are deeply involved into *everything* that happens in the empire, not just every marriage and every child conceived, but through spice-powers, the genetic makeup of every child.

Paul is a glitch. Paul was meant to be a girl, in a scheme meant to produce the Kwisatz Haderach, the ubermensch. Instead Paul is born, and then takes the water of life, allowing this one human to have ALL the powers of spice use. Specifically, he can teleport, is prescient, has ESP, can control worms, lives forever, and, most important, HE CAN FOLD SPACE.

In the film the awakening of the sleeper (Paul "waking up", going from being a useless little shit to the ubermensch) is punctuated by his recurring dream of the crashing waves of water in his home planet of Caladan. During the ending rain sequence, Paul simply folds space and transports the water FROM CALADAN TO ARRAKIS.
That's it. That is the rain sequence. It absolutely fits within the narrative of both film and book.




.. honestly if you read the later Dune books you'll see that Herbert is a hack and i have zero issues with a script writer coming along and making improvements in a story which is what happens in 100% of good films. People who fucking idealize Herbert are just idiots.

 

[Muadib]

I can't wait for this...

 

[IronWing]

In the book, navigators can’t fold space. They can look into the possible futures and select a safe route while the ship folds space. Likewise, Paul can’t fold space but can select future paths that allow him to control the empire.

The Bene Gesserits have their breeding program but it only dealt with the elites, not everyone.

 

[bbhaag]

Certainly has potential. Director & cast are top notch, looks like pretty decent writers.


Bad part is having to wait to see the whole thing but i guess we're sort of getting used to that nowadays.

Looks like the mini series had good reviews. Never saw it... worth seeking out?
I liked the David Lynch movie... not great by any means but i still like it.

It's honestly not bad if you go into it with an open mind and understanding that the production value was limited to a television network studio and not some big Hollywood studio. The casting/acting is decent, special effects are good for there time(2000 I think?), and while the interpretation of the Dune universe is up for debate it does a decent job of getting the story across. It's certainly not perfect but if you have the time to actually sit down and watch it because it is rather long after all it is a mini series it's worth it.

The new one looks good to but trailers are always deceiving. Hell I thought The Phantom Menace was going to be awesome when I saw the trailers for it and it was not very good at all. So I guess I'll keep an open mind and give it a chance when it comes out. I'm not a huge Dune fan anyway so I'm not going to judge it to harshly like all the fan boys will if it doesn't follow the original interpretation of the book. You know how the internet is. You change a couple of things around because it makes for better cinema and people lose their shit over it.....

 

[DigDog]

potayto.

Actually this is a good example of the concept of good fiction - if films specially - being the result of collective work rather than George Lucas "total creative control".
So in the books the holtzman drive is what folds space, but in a chaotic way, while the navigators use their talent to instinctively drive the ship. In the end you get your spaceship from point A to point B but this "how it happens" adds a bit of flair that augments the bleakness of the Dune world.

Brief prologue. In the future, mankind develops intelligent automation that allows it to create a vast galactic empire. Over time, humans become lazy to the point that they risk extinction. Thus a big religious crusade happens, the Butleran Jihad, which destroys all "thinking machines", saving mankind but also plunging it into an unending dark age.
Without "thinking machines" (i.e. computers) things like space travel and planetary administration become impossible.
To survive this, guilds are created that specialize into making people into machines. Mentats fill the role of administrators, Navigators fill the role of starship computers.
The empire of Dune is a quasi-feudal world, technology does exist but it has to have ka whole set of unnecessary limitations due to the religious rules of the Jihad. That's why you got shit like floating lamps.

As i did say, there is no rain in the books.
Sorry to have to pause again but, Herbert initially did not envision Dune as a cycle, but rather as a standalone book. Pushed by his editor due to the success of Dune 1, he wrote another bunch of books which have nowhere near the style of the first.

So the books do not have the option of rain because Paul can''t fold space, but again the books have a different device which is underplayed in the film, the water basins. Ever since there have been visitors on Dune, they bring body-water. As the lose body-water, the fremen store it in thousands of immense water basins. Eventually Arrakis is made green through the water that is imported unwittingly from offworld. Not exactly as awesome as Paul making it rain.

Slight change from the Dune 1984 scriptwriters, while not impacting the space-travel as described in the book, but moving the space-folding ability from the engine to the navigator.

It works.

if your only contest is that "it's not faithful to the book" i gotta tell you, in a fight between the book and the movie, the movie wins hands down.

 

[IronWing]

The water is already on Akkaris but is locked up by sand worm larvae, protecting the adults that can't tolerate water. The god emperor chooses to green the planet by breaking the sand worm ecosystem.

 

[feralkid]

Boomer ... why.

It's required; a clause in his grumpy contract.

 

[Muse]

Just borrow the trilogy and read it. Skip the rest.

The trilogy? I bought a used copy of the first, is that the first of 3? I am surrounded by a lot of books I've acquired during the pandemic, but have only finished 2-3, am partway into several. I read a page or two of dune... I don't even know where I put it. It's here, though.

 

[sdifox]

The trilogy? I bought a used copy of the first, is that the first of 3? I am surrounded by a lot of books I've acquired during the pandemic, but have only finished 2-3, am partway into several. I read a page or two of dune... I don't even know where I put it. It's here, though.

Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are the first 3 books of Dune. After that comes God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune. Herbert died after Chapterhouse but a whole bunch of books were written by his son and co-author.

Dune (franchise) - Wikipedia

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I think I read ten or so Dune books.

 

[Muse]

Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune are the first 3 books of Dune. After that comes God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune. Herbert died after Chapterhouse but a whole bunch of books were written by his son and co-author.

Dune (franchise) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think I read ten or so Dune books.

Well, I started the original Frank Herbert Dune book. Science Fiction was my first love reading maybe 13-14 YO. My favorite sci-fi is not terribly far fetched. That is to say, given the premises (which aren't too fantastic), what could/will happen? I started Dune and thought it wasn't sci-fi, it was fantasy, and extreme at that. If you're fine with that, fine, but it wasn't remotely like what I like in sci-fi and didn't read further. This was last July.

Struck me as similar to that other series of books that were all the rage around 15 years ago (?) by that British woman, TBH I can't remember the name of any of that, although I actually bought a few of the movies on DVD and have maybe watched the first, not sure. I did like Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, read the books, saw the movies. That's fantasy, sure, but perhaps not so far fetched, and kind of harkens to the lore and culture of ancient England and such, and as such is quaint. Plus, Tolkein was a very studied man in that realm.

 

[sdifox]

Well, I started the original Frank Herbert Dune book. Science Fiction was my first love reading maybe 13-14 YO. My favorite sci-fi is not terribly far fetched. That is to say, given the premises (which aren't too fantastic), what could/will happen? I started Dune and thought it wasn't sci-fi, it was fantasy, and extreme at that. If you're fine with that, fine, but it wasn't remotely like what I like in sci-fi and didn't read further. This was last July.

Struck me as similar to that other series of books that were all the rage around 15 years ago (?) by that British woman, TBH I can't remember the name of any of that, although I actually bought a few of the movies on DVD and have maybe watched the first, not sure. I did like Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, read the books, saw the movies. That's fantasy, sure, but perhaps not so far fetched, and kind of harkens to the lore and culture of ancient England and such, and as such is quaint. Plus, Tolkein was a very studied man in that realm.

Dune is very different from Harry Potter lol. Different age groups.

 

[Muse]

Dune is very different from Harry Potter lol. Different age groups.

I try not to cotton to the age group thing. There are 6 year olds who are far more mature than some people who have lived 80 years ever achieved at any time in their lives.