Duke says, oh garwsh, come on back.

[MaxDepth]

Duke invites two lacrosse players back to school

"As circumstances have evolved in this extraordinary case, we have attempted to balance recognition of the gravity of legal charges with the presumption of your innocence," Larry Moneta, Duke's vice president for student affairs said in a letter to Seligmann dated Tuesday.

"Now with the approach of a new term, we believe that circumstances warrant that we strike this balance differently. At this point, continued extension of the administrative leave would do unwarranted harm to your educational progress."

In other words, we don't believe you're that guilty now.

 

[waggy]

well no duh. they realized they are in deep ****** for it. the tide is turning against the school on how they treated the kids. there was a site that had emails and letters from alumni stating they are refusing to give money to duke until they apologize and fix it.

not to mention i would think they could get sued.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Duke invites two lacrosse players back to school

"As circumstances have evolved in this extraordinary case, we have attempted to balance recognition of the gravity of legal charges with the presumption of your innocence," Larry Moneta, Duke's vice president for student affairs said in a letter to Seligmann dated Tuesday.

"Now with the approach of a new term, we believe that circumstances warrant that we strike this balance differently. At this point, continued extension of the administrative leave would do unwarranted harm to your educational progress."

In other words, we don't believe you're that guilty now.

Those poor guys were guilty until proven innocent. That's justice for you.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Duke invites two lacrosse players back to school

"As circumstances have evolved in this extraordinary case, we have attempted to balance recognition of the gravity of legal charges with the presumption of your innocence," Larry Moneta, Duke's vice president for student affairs said in a letter to Seligmann dated Tuesday.

"Now with the approach of a new term, we believe that circumstances warrant that we strike this balance differently. At this point, continued extension of the administrative leave would do unwarranted harm to your educational progress."

In other words, we don't believe you're that guilty now.

Those poor guys were guilty until proven innocent. That's justice for you.

thats how it is with rape. add in the fact that it was a rich white guy with a poor black women makes it even worse. Then you have a DA that decides to use the case to get re-elected and hides evidance that could clear the kids.

but yes it is a sad story. those kids are going to end up with ruined reputations, high lawyer cost etc all because of a false alagation and a DA that does not care about justice.

 

[glen]

Looks like all charges are going to be dropped.
Will anyone in the DA's office, the school, etc... appologize to these men?

 

[FoBoT]

sue the crap out of them

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: waggy
well no duh. they realized they are in deep ****** for it. the tide is turning against the school on how they treated the kids. there was a site that had emails and letters from alumni stating they are refusing to give money to duke until they apologize and fix it.

not to mention i would think they could get sued.

Alumni boycott of donations would be great.

 

[Agentbolt]

Will anyone in the DA's office, the school, etc... appologize to these men?

Certainly not the DA's office, and probably never the school either. That would show they were "wrong" in some way and taking responsibility for your eff-ups lost any popularity it once had long ago.

If there's one thing I hate about the legal system, it's that in almost every type of legal case, the presumption of innocence is still there, except in rape cases. Look, rape is a horrible, heinous thing, and people who are proven to have done it need to be punished severely, but nowadays all a girl has to do is cry "rape" and instantly whatever guy she accuses is destroyed. There's way too much at stake for it to work like that.

 

[glen]

Is there still no appology from the DA or the teachers?

 

[Tobolo]

They wont apologize because it could be used againt them in a civil suit.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: Tobolo
They wont apologize because it could be used againt them in a civil suit.

Which needs to happen.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Mike

Originally posted by: Tobolo
They wont apologize because it could be used againt them in a civil suit.

Which needs to happen.

Didn't the judge practically beg the students not to sue at the closure of the trial? I can't remember where I read it (probably CNN), but I believe that's what it said.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Mike

Originally posted by: Tobolo
They wont apologize because it could be used againt them in a civil suit.

Which needs to happen.

Didn't the judge practically beg the students not to sue at the closure of the trial? I can't remember where I read it (probably CNN), but I believe that's what it said.

Even more reason to sue. Just about everyone realizes they fvcked up majorly...but no one wants to apologize for it or take responsibility.

 

[Ronstang]

I think that the professors that banded together to publicly judge these young men as guilty even before all the evidence was collected and analyzed are not equipped to be good role models for our youth and should not be in a position to mold and teach them.....they should be terminated as they are true teachers of hate.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I think that the professors that banded together to publicly judge these young men as guilty even before all the evidence was collected and analyzed are not equipped to be good role models for our youth and should not be in a position to mold and teach them.....they should be terminated as they are true teachers of hate.

copy & paste?

I agree either way.

 

[Agentbolt]

The DA who took over DID at least proclaim them all innocent, which is pretty much unheard of in the legal world. He also lamented that they were put through such hell. Since he's not the one who actually handled the case at first, that's all you can expect. And the DA who put them through hell is probably getting disbarred, so hopefully justice gets served there.

The school should apologize of course, but they won't. They're Duke, they don't feel they need to be fair in the slightest.

Did the judge really ask them not to sue? I'd love to see a link to that, that'd be awesome.

 

[mugs]

Do the students really have grounds to sue the school? At my college even being charged with a serious crime was grounds for dismissal or suspension. Whether you're guilty or not, it's still embarrassing to the school and it's in the school's best interest to not be associated with you until you're found not guilty.


Edit:

Duke University President Richard Brodhead, in an interview with Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes, stated that "Duke has a rule ? and many, many other universities have the same rule ? which is that, when a student has been indicted for a crime that has an element of violence, we often separate the student from the university because we don't know at that time, what harm may be done."

It's not a question of presumption of innocence.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
sue the crap out of them

They are!! :thumbsup:

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I think that the professors that banded together to publicly judge these young men as guilty even before all the evidence was collected and analyzed are not equipped to be good role models for our youth and should not be in a position to mold and teach them.....they should be terminated as they are true teachers of hate.

If you're talking about the ad that was signed by 88 professors, I just read it and I have no idea where you got the idea that they were publicly judging the lacrosse players.