Duke Rape case: has it become what it is now due to race?

[krunchykrome]

I was watching some program the other night and they were discussing this. Has this rape case received all of this publicity because three rich white boys were accused of raping a poor black girl? Rapes occur every day, and it's rare that one receives such publicity as this case is receiving. If three black men were accused of raping a white girl, would there be this much publicity shed on the case?

Personally, I think the race card was thrown into this.

BTW, Jesse Jackson apparently said he was going to fully pay for this girl's school tuition. WTF ?

 

[dartworth]

Though a good deal is too strange to be believed, nothing is too strange to have happened.

 

[SampSon]

Of course, the entire media focus is because it's racial.
If it was a black on black crime you would NEVER hear about it, and if it was a white on white crime you might see it in the police blotter in the local paper.

Either way, she's a whore who will never go through school because she makes too much money taking off her clothes and showing off her awful body.
Eventually she will have a bunch of children and collect as much social assistance because her actual claimed income on her taxes in below the poverty line due to the vast majority being tips.
So you will get to see her go through grocery lines in gucci clothes, rocking mad ice while pulling food stamps out of her Louis Vitton bag to pay for crab legs and cigarettes.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

I don't know about any of that, but I just saw two idiots on MSNBC arguing over the fact that people are referring to the victim as a "stripper", and thereby trying to discredit her. What bvllsh*t. Whether she was raped or not, she was a stripper hired to strip for a house full of drunken college boys, which isn't exactly the safest way to make a living. But I'm supposed to believe that just by speaking the truth (she's a stripper), you condone the girl getting raped?!

 

[her209]

The media coverage can be seen two ways:

1) Its the norm for black men to rape but not white men.
2) The rapist(s) are white and and the victim is black.

The views can be held simultaneously and are not mutually exclusive of each other.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Of course, the entire media focus is because it's racial.
If it was a black on black crime you would NEVER hear about it, and if it was a white on white crime you might see it in the police blotter in the local paper.

Either way, she's a whore who will never go through school because she makes too much money taking off her clothes and showing off her awful body.
Eventually she will have a bunch of children and collect as much social assistance because her actual claimed income on her taxes in below the poverty line due to the vast majority being tips.
So you will get to see her go through grocery lines in gucci clothes, rocking mad ice while pulling food stamps out of her Louis Vitton bag to pay for crab legs and cigarettes.

Tell me how you really feel.

 

[SampSon]

I just did.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Of course, the entire media focus is because it's racial.
If it was a black on black crime you would NEVER hear about it, and if it was a white on white crime you might see it in the police blotter in the local paper.

Either way, she's a whore who will never go through school because she makes too much money taking off her clothes and showing off her awful body.
Eventually she will have a bunch of children and collect as much social assistance because her actual claimed income on her taxes in below the poverty line due to the vast majority being tips.
So you will get to see her go through grocery lines in gucci clothes, rocking mad ice while pulling food stamps out of her Louis Vitton bag to pay for crab legs and cigarettes.

So you believe every stripper is a whore? You do not even know the girl, yet you condemn her like this for being a stripper. Do you also think its ok if she got raped because she was asking for it?


I can see why people are upset about calling her a stripper, its because people like you make sweeping generlizations based on a title given to someone.


Note: I think the girl is actually lying/trying to get paid off. Its just my opinion, I may be wrong.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
I don't know about any of that, but I just saw two idiots on MSNBC arguing over the fact that people are referring to the victim as a "stripper", and thereby trying to discredit her. What bvllsh*t. Whether she was raped or not, she was a stripper hired to strip for a house full of drunken college boys, which isn't exactly the safest way to make a living. But I'm supposed to believe that just by speaking the truth (she's a stripper), you condone the girl getting raped?!

I dont see a problem with referring to the girl who got raped as "the stripper." They refuse to make public her identity. They have already ruined these boy's lives by exposing them to the world. Whether or not they are found guilty, this case will haunt them and follow them for the rest of their lives. Yet, they must protect this girl's identity, and we can't refer to her as a stripper. She's a stripper. If she was a girl who was walking down the street and was raped, and she just happened to be a stripper, she would be referred to as the girl who was raped. But this girl in this case was paid to strip when she was reportedly raped. We can identify her as a stripper. If a female police officer or a female postman was raped on the job, they would be identified by everyone as the "police officer" or the "post woman" who was raped.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Yes

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: SampSon
Of course, the entire media focus is because it's racial.
If it was a black on black crime you would NEVER hear about it, and if it was a white on white crime you might see it in the police blotter in the local paper.

Either way, she's a whore who will never go through school because she makes too much money taking off her clothes and showing off her awful body.
Eventually she will have a bunch of children and collect as much social assistance because her actual claimed income on her taxes in below the poverty line due to the vast majority being tips.
So you will get to see her go through grocery lines in gucci clothes, rocking mad ice while pulling food stamps out of her Louis Vitton bag to pay for crab legs and cigarettes.

So you believe every stripper is a whore? You do not even know the girl, yet you condemn her like this for being a stripper. Do you also think its ok if she got raped because she was asking for it?


I can see why people are upset about calling her a stripper, its because people like you make sweeping generlizations based on a title given to someone.


Note: I think the girl is actually lying/trying to get paid off. Its just my opinion, I may be wrong.

No I don't believe that, but I do believe she is a gold digging whore. I don't condemn her for being a stripper. I dondemn her for being a stereotypical race card playing, lying, opportunistic, litigious bitch. For all we know she is a prostitute too. Most strippers that have been hired at parties I've been to have gladly accepted payment for extra "services"
So to think that she is some special case beyond the reality of the busienss she is involved in is just a complete joke.

I also don't believe she was raped. I still have not been presented with any solid evidence that she was.

I don't want to make sweeping generalizations about strippers, but you know how this girl is. She saw an opportunity to take advantage of the system and she is. I don't need to know her to know that she deserves no respect.

As for strippers in general, how many stories have you heard of them stripping to get themselves through school? I think that every single one of them has the same story. If their story is true and they follow through with it then all the power to them. Though I am willing to bet that the VAST majority of them never follow through with that "dream". The money is too good and the path they claim to aim for is too hard. I'm also willing to bet this aspiring college student couldn't pass a GED test to save her life.
The reality is that the story she tells is all too common and just part of the sex trade worker story. She is not a special case.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: SampSon
Of course, the entire media focus is because it's racial.
If it was a black on black crime you would NEVER hear about it, and if it was a white on white crime you might see it in the police blotter in the local paper.

Either way, she's a whore who will never go through school because she makes too much money taking off her clothes and showing off her awful body.
Eventually she will have a bunch of children and collect as much social assistance because her actual claimed income on her taxes in below the poverty line due to the vast majority being tips.
So you will get to see her go through grocery lines in gucci clothes, rocking mad ice while pulling food stamps out of her Louis Vitton bag to pay for crab legs and cigarettes.

So you believe every stripper is a whore? You do not even know the girl, yet you condemn her like this for being a stripper. Do you also think its ok if she got raped because she was asking for it?

I can see why people are upset about calling her a stripper, its because people like you make sweeping generlizations based on a title given to someone.

Note: I think the girl is actually lying/trying to get paid off. Its just my opinion, I may be wrong.

Sure, but thats on the people making the sweeping generalizations. If that word carries negative connotations which bother you, or you're ashamed of being called that, then don't be a fvcking stripper. If you choose to take your clothes off for money, then be prepared to be called a stripper, and don't expect me to believe that you and your clear heels are really just "working your way through college".

None of this means you are asking to or deserve to be raped, of course (no excuse for that), but it does imply that you are probably exposing yourself to some shady characters (like drunken frat trash with their herd mentality).

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: SampSon
Of course, the entire media focus is because it's racial.
If it was a black on black crime you would NEVER hear about it, and if it was a white on white crime you might see it in the police blotter in the local paper.

Either way, she's a whore who will never go through school because she makes too much money taking off her clothes and showing off her awful body.
Eventually she will have a bunch of children and collect as much social assistance because her actual claimed income on her taxes in below the poverty line due to the vast majority being tips.
So you will get to see her go through grocery lines in gucci clothes, rocking mad ice while pulling food stamps out of her Louis Vitton bag to pay for crab legs and cigarettes.

So you believe every stripper is a whore? You do not even know the girl, yet you condemn her like this for being a stripper. Do you also think its ok if she got raped because she was asking for it?


I can see why people are upset about calling her a stripper, its because people like you make sweeping generlizations based on a title given to someone.


Note: I think the girl is actually lying/trying to get paid off. Its just my opinion, I may be wrong.

No I don't believe that, but I do believe she is a gold digging whore. I don't condemn her for being a stripper. I dondemn her for being a stereotypical race card playing, lying, opportunistic, litigious bitch. For all we know she is a prostitute too. Most strippers that have been hired at parties I've been to have gladly accepted payment for extra "services"
So to think that she is some special case beyond the reality of the busienss she is involved in is just a complete joke.

I also don't believe she was raped. I still have not been presented with any solid evidence that she was.

I don't want to make sweeping generalizations about strippers, but you know how this girl is. She saw an opportunity to take advantage of the system and she is. I don't need to know her to know that she deserves no respect.

As for strippers in general, how many stories have you heard of them stripping to get themselves through school? I think that every single one of them has the same story. If their story is true and they follow through with it then all the power to them. Though I am willing to bet that the VAST majority of them never follow through with that "dream". The money is too good and the path they claim to aim for is too hard. I'm also willing to bet this aspiring college student couldn't pass a GED test to save her life.
The reality is that the story she tells is all too common and just part of the sex trade worker story. She is not a special case.

I agree with most of the points you make. However, by generalizing about a girl that you admittedly know very little about, you are just fueling the fire.


I think many people agree she could be looking to get paid off, and if thats the case then everything you've said about her is justified. We do not know that for a fact yet, though. By saying she is looking to get paid off you are basing that assumption on one of two things: 1. Shes a stripper. 2. She's black and trying to play the race card.


Regardless or whether or not it is true, it is wrong to base your opinion off of her because of her occupation or race. Instead, you should remain skeptical. Its ok to voice your opinion, but instead of saying she's a stripping whore... why not say "Well there are a lot of inaccuracies in her statement, and all the evidence so far points to the boys innocence" Sure, it doesn't have the hatred the other statement does, but it sure as hell is a lot more valid of an opinion and you won't be adding fuel to the fire.



My point is that you cannot say for sure that she is a lying stripping looking to get paid off racist whore, solely on her occupation and/or race. The facts of the case are what matter, and they are the thing you left out in your original post. The reason some of the media is up in arms over calling her a stripper is because of your frame of mind. Demean (SP?) her based on her occupation while ignoring the facts of the case.

Unfortunately many people voice their opinions as you have, and as such it becomes wrong wrong to call her a stripper even though thats what she is.

 

[daniel49]

Beginning to sound like the case is falling apart to me?

 

[Zebo]

She's waaaay to fugly to be rapping. I bet they told her "ugly cottage cheesed ass to GTF out and send the ladies advertised in the flyer" and this is her retribution. If she had any marks on her it was from her pimp for non-payment, knowing he'd just kill her if she ratted she blamed these kids.

 

[chuckywang]

Yes.

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[spidey07]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Of course, the entire media focus is because it's racial.
If it was a black on black crime you would NEVER hear about it, and if it was a white on white crime you might see it in the police blotter in the local paper.

Either way, she's a whore who will never go through school because she makes too much money taking off her clothes and showing off her awful body.
Eventually she will have a bunch of children and collect as much social assistance because her actual claimed income on her taxes in below the poverty line due to the vast majority being tips.
So you will get to see her go through grocery lines in gucci clothes, rocking mad ice while pulling food stamps out of her Louis Vitton bag to pay for crab legs and cigarettes.

QFT.

 

[Conky]

Back when I was in a fraternity all the strippers we ever hired came with their own "managers"(bouncer/boyfriend/baddude). So where was this guy?

 

[JLGatsby]

White and wealthy? Statistically, that's the least likely person to commit rape.

What stereotypes do you speak of?

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
White and wealthy? Statistically, that's the least likely person to commit rape.

What stereotypes do you speak of?

? Who are you asking?

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
White and wealthy? Statistically, that's the least likely person to commit rape.

What stereotypes do you speak of?

? Who are you asking?

Trolls cast wide nets.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
White and wealthy? Statistically, that's the least likely person to commit rape.

What stereotypes do you speak of?

? Who are you asking?

Anyone. I keep hearing in the media how it's so "stereotypical." LOL

Yeah, those rich neighborhoods and top level schools are just filled with gang banging, drug dealing, drivebys, raping, murder. Wow. Rough places those private east coast schools.

Ladies, hide your purses when those 1500 SAT kids come walking by you in a dark alley. <end sarcasm>

 

[SampSon]

I agree with most of the points you make. However, by generalizing about a girl that you admittedly know very little about, you are just fueling the fire.


I think many people agree she could be looking to get paid off, and if thats the case then everything you've said about her is justified. We do not know that for a fact yet, though. By saying she is looking to get paid off you are basing that assumption on one of two things: 1. Shes a stripper. 2. She's black and trying to play the race card.


Regardless or whether or not it is true, it is wrong to base your opinion off of her because of her occupation or race. Instead, you should remain skeptical. Its ok to voice your opinion, but instead of saying she's a stripping whore... why not say "Well there are a lot of inaccuracies in her statement, and all the evidence so far points to the boys innocence" Sure, it doesn't have the hatred the other statement does, but it sure as hell is a lot more valid of an opinion and you won't be adding fuel to the fire.



My point is that you cannot say for sure that she is a lying stripping looking to get paid off racist whore, solely on her occupation and/or race. The facts of the case are what matter, and they are the thing you left out in your original post. The reason some of the media is up in arms over calling her a stripper is because of your frame of mind. Demean (SP?) her based on her occupation while ignoring the facts of the case.

Unfortunately many people voice their opinions as you have, and as such it becomes wrong wrong to call her a stripper even though thats what she is.

Sure, but that point that you're missing is that I don't need to have a right and wrong in my opinion. It's not wrong to base my opinion on something. An opinion is not fact, nor am I trying to pass of my opinion as fact. My opinion is not based solely on the fact that she's a black stripper, that is what the media WANTS you to believe so don't buy into it. My opinion is based on a myriad of things having to do with this case and to do with the reality of the sex trade industry.

Everying I said is justified, regardless of the outcome of this case. What I have spoken can be proven of of the sex trade industry. If you disagree then you're just being naive.

I'm not a lawyer or anyone involved in this case, so there is no reason for me to be politically correct about this case. The media is going to focus on this case soley because it has been turned into a racial matter. Thousands of cases like these are in court every year and you never hear about them. The (liberal) media is creating the hype around this case, not the public. I don't have to go to lengths to put the facts of the case in my post, because they are all over the media and public record. The facts are there, no reason to reiterate them. The facts are that there is no evidence of her being raped and the prosecution case is falling apart at the seams. So in order to swing the public opinion and try to save the case a massive deal about race is being fabricated. Now Jessie Jackson is jumping into the mix, when that happens you should know exactly what is going on.

The unfortunate thing is that you think it's unfortunate that I voice my opinion, and then assert that because of my opinion the assertions I make are wrong to present. The day that it becomes wrong to voice my opinion is the day that hell freezes over. Adding fuel to the fire is such a cop out, this fire has been burning sice the beginning of time and will continue to burn forever. So I see no reason to pussy foot around this matter. I am going to call it like I see it and if you or the (liberal) media wants to turn that into a negative thing than so be it.

I am going to give you another one of my opinions, none of it is fact in the case (as far as I know) and it really doesn't matter because I'm not involved.
My opinion is that she's not merely a stripper, shes a full on prostitute (which is painfully obvious). She planned on making a whole bunch of money off of these rich college kids, but it turns out they didn't want any part of her ugly ass OR that they did have sex with her and she wasn't pleased with payment or treatement so she cried rape. You know how the system reacts when a women cries rape, they are out to get someone. So if they had sex with her or they didn't she was going to cry rape either which way.

As for her I don't have to know her to understand that she's a piece of garbage. A private stripper (prostitute) with a criminal record of being a thief, now bringing a case against the duke lacrosse team, ruining their reputation and the coaches career. Fighting a losing legal battle and wasting the systems resources while admitting (what is now on record) that she wanted to make this a media circus. Yes, this woman is truly an upstanding citizen, deserving of my respect...

 

[Miramonti]

There's two sides to this...those who call it race and those who don't like it called race, and since everyone has an opinion, of course its about race.

And given that all the facts aren't even known, everyone should just admit they are bigots of one form or the other, and then STFU and wait until the trial is over to chime in.