WHy dont you check out the winning record on Smith, one of the most winningest coaches in the league. This guy coached the best player in the world and you dont want to give the guy any credit? Craziness
I'm not going to read this entire thread, because it is going to make my blood boil.
Yes, Duke is good every year. Are they perfect? Are they all that is good and right about college basketball? Um, no. Duke players, just like players on other teams, get into stupid situations off the court - Duke just does a better job keeping their problems in house.
Duke has guys that are only there to play basketball as well - Elton Brand, Avery, C.Magette (oh, and by the way, there are all kinds of 'violations' rumors floating around about Magette and Duke). So lets not get carried away with how great this program is.
Some of the things you listed are good examples of things that are wrong in the NCAA, some of them are reaches as well. Ohio State, for example - Jim O'Brien gave a one-time recruit $6,000 out of his own pocket, after he knew that this kid, a 7'3 center from Yugoslavia (Alex Radinovic, I think, he played briefly in the NBA later), wasn't going to be declared eligble by the NCAA, and he and his family were basially broke.
UCLA's programs in the 60's and 70's, North Carolina under Dean Smith - what was wrong with those programs?
I also have a problem with Coach K's Amex commercials - how is that not a Duke recruiting tool?
I hate Duke, btw.
I hate their fans.
I hate some of their former players, and the whole slap-the-floor thing ( I actually like Reddick though, he's nails).
Yes, Duke is good every year. Are they perfect? Are they all that is good and right about college basketball? Um, no. Duke players, just like players on other teams, get into stupid situations off the court - Duke just does a better job keeping their problems in house.
Duke has guys that are only there to play basketball as well - Elton Brand, Avery, C.Magette (oh, and by the way, there are all kinds of 'violations' rumors floating around about Magette and Duke). So lets not get carried away with how great this program is.
Some of the things you listed are good examples of things that are wrong in the NCAA, some of them are reaches as well. Ohio State, for example - Jim O'Brien gave a one-time recruit $6,000 out of his own pocket, after he knew that this kid, a 7'3 center from Yugoslavia (Alex Radinovic, I think, he played briefly in the NBA later), wasn't going to be declared eligble by the NCAA, and he and his family were basially broke.
UCLA's programs in the 60's and 70's, North Carolina under Dean Smith - what was wrong with those programs?
I also have a problem with Coach K's Amex commercials - how is that not a Duke recruiting tool?
I hate Duke, btw.
I hate their fans.
I hate some of their former players, and the whole slap-the-floor thing ( I actually like Reddick though, he's nails).
The guy was a great skills coach. That is why his players succeeded in the NBA, because they could take the skills they learned from Smith and apply them to the NBA. Coach K, on the other hand, is a great motivator. However, that is fleeting. Obviously Duke players don't have Coach K beside them in the NBA to motivate. Perhaps that is the discrepency in the NBA that Duke is criticized for. However, I will say that some players, such as Jordan or Carter, would have succeeded in the NBA if they played for Duke, purely based on the amount of innate basketball talent they had.
No answer for Sheldon Williams?
Ha...he's hardly an offensive force at all...he's Carlos Boozer with less offensive skill - an undersized center with a very limited post game....
Duke is good, I'm not saying they aren't - but they are far from a lock to win it all this year. They have had some very close games against average teams (V.Tech, Fla St), and they have also had good games against good teams....personally, I'd take Villanova or UConn over them this year.
Ha...he's hardly an offensive force at all...he's Carlos Boozer with less offensive skill - an undersized center with a very limited post game....
Duke is good, I'm not saying they aren't - but they are far from a lock to win it all this year. They have had some very close games against average teams (V.Tech, Fla St), and they have also had good games against good teams....personally, I'd take Villanova or UConn over them this year.
It's spelled "Redick". One thing about him, though, is that he has become so good this year that he now commands the respect of the people who hated his guts last year. It's pretty amazing, actually, when I hear how Maryland or Wake fans saying how he is one of the best in the game.
Are you saying that Jordan could have been better? Than statement is confusing. I just think that the player is taught lessons at the college level, once they reach NBA it's all skill. Let's you see who can and can't survive and a lot of players from both teeams have players who go into the NBA and become phantoms
Dean Smith gets a lot more credit for developing players than he deserves. What he should be credited with is being the greatest recruiter of his time.
He got the best of the best, the cream of the crop....he got players that would have gone on to star in the NBA no matter where they went to college.
Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Sam Perkins, Stackhouse, Wallace, Jamison, Reid, etc, etc, ad nauseum.....they didn't do well in the NBA because Dean Smith coached them...they did well because they were awesome. They'd have done at least as well, and maybe even better if any number of other coaches taught them in college.
And YES, Jordan could have been better in college. It's always been said that Dean Smith was the only man who could hold MJ under 20 points a game.
Imagine if MJ played for Jimmy V. Or K. Or Wooden. Knight. Those guys knew how to saddle a great one up and ride him.
Think of it like this: Most any college can look at some of their NBA alumni and say "now whoever thought that guy would ever be NBA material when he came out of high school?".
And they then tout how well their coach develops players.
Look at Tom Gugliotta of NC State....Jimmy V signed him as a favor for his dad...he was a nobody out of HS. Went on to be a top 10 draft pick, IIRC.
Even Dean's benchwarmers were former HS stars that could have been starting at many other major schools.
You can't show me a single UNC player for Dean Smith with a story like that....every single NBA player Dean had was a HS All American of one type or another.
Back when Dean was just done coaching, he had signed more than twice as many McDonald's AA players than any other school. K is probably catching up now.....but K does a lot more with his MickeyD players than Dean ever did...he actually wins lots of championships...Dean won 2, ever....with some of the greatest players to ever play the college game.
What other team in the country has two McDonald All-Americans riding the bench, and lower on the depth chart than a walk-on senior who NEVER EVEN PLAYED BASKETBALL IN HIGH SCHOOL? Don't forget that Shavlik Randolph and Michael Thompson (both McD AA's) were in the same class as JJ, Shelden, and Melchionni, but didn't do all that much in college. Yes, Coach K recruits a lot of McD AA's, but he only really uses about half of them.
See UNC during Dean's days. Remember Stackhouse and Wallace riding the bench?
And Shavlik Randolph was plagued by injuries and mono, didn't do much except start most of the time at Dook, and he's in the NBA anyway.
My point is, now K is like Dean was as far as getting his pick of top talent...but K is doing more than Dean did. Look at his ACC and NCAA titles vs. the time he's been at Dook.
I'd say staying around in the NBA for a decade is successful. If you remember before Hill had his ankle injury, he was AWESOME. He was a threat for a triple-double a night (he had like four in a row at some point), and he always made the All Star game starting lineup. It's a shame what happened.
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I enjoy watching Duke B-ball. THey are fun to watch. especially if they loose. I really enjoyed the Georgetown/Duke Game. I made fun of my friend who goes to Duke b/c they lost to a Big East team.
I don't know if they embody everything that is right about college b-ball. I sometimes wish my shools team could be like the Blue Devils.
On another note, I got to visit Duke this past weekend. It was quite an experience going to a campus and school that is like a complete opposite of yours. I got to hear Coach K talk and went inside Cameron Indoor Stadium. Got to see K-ville. WOW, I'm actually envious of the duke students. Our b-ball program is good, but the amount of hard core fans we have is no where near the amount of hardcore fans that duke has.
I don't know if they embody everything that is right about college b-ball. I sometimes wish my shools team could be like the Blue Devils.
On another note, I got to visit Duke this past weekend. It was quite an experience going to a campus and school that is like a complete opposite of yours. I got to hear Coach K talk and went inside Cameron Indoor Stadium. Got to see K-ville. WOW, I'm actually envious of the duke students. Our b-ball program is good, but the amount of hard core fans we have is no where near the amount of hardcore fans that duke has.
Uhh..not quite the first time thats happened. Oh, and the Big East is a very good basketball conference if you didn't know.
Where do you go to school?
I tented for all four of my years at Duke and got to see countless bball games. However, only a few were memorable (most were blowouts). There are some hardcore fans at Duke, but people mostly tent cause it's a pretty social thing to do. FWIW, tenting isn't really fun, except for the last two games leading up to a tenting game, where everybody is at K-ville and it's pretty much a huge party. The rest of the time it's a hassle, and it's pretty cold. It's a totally fair system because the people who get the best seats are not the kids with the most money or the most connections, it's the kids who are willing to spend the most time in line. However, if Duke disappeared from the national spotlight, so would the tenters. Winning breeds everything you see at K-ville.
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Well, Georgia Tech is taking it to the Dookies at home right now, up 8 early in the second half on ESPN. GO YELLOW JACKETS!
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Bah, if they still had Shensure on the team GT wouldn't have given up that lead so easily. Oh well, watch out in Tallahasse though. 
The Crimi'noles upset them there before!
The Crimi'noles upset them there before!
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Did you even watch the game? Vitale even said they were lucky and didn't play good defense. As stated about, they are not doing so hot now.. and 800 posts - yay.
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Did you even watch the game? Vitale even said they were lucky and didn't play good defense. As stated about, they are not doing so hot now.. and 800 posts - yay.
oh..sorry, off night for redick. ONLY 20. damn, did duke still win?
and yesss...800 posts yay!!
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