Dude, sucks to be this guy

[miketheidiot]

this place is funny, some punk kid punches a busdriver and they call of his extermination, but some other dude helped kill thousands of people, and they feel sorry for him.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: halik
HOLY lacking details batman,
here's the wiki article on the guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk

Wow, based on the information within the Wikipedia article it sounds like the entire thing is sort of a mess. I think it is significant to note that he has already been tried once which was over-turned based on a procedural error. Should he be tried twice; double jeopardy?

He was tried the first time as Ivan the Terrible, which they acquitted him of as they could not equivocally prove that he actually was. This time they want to try him simply as an SS Guard that participated in the death of 29,000 people.

But they're trying him on murder charges twice, which is double jeopardy. The fact that the courts attempted to try him as someone else is a risk they took and lost. They could have tried him as an ordinary prison guard the first time but they chose the more risky charges instead.

No, the first time he was charged with murder at Treblinka. This time he's being charged with accessory to murder at Sobibor, Majdanek and Flossenburg. Completely different charges, locations and counts, hence not double jeopardy.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
But they're trying him on murder charges twice, which is double jeopardy.

Entire World != US.

Does Germany have a double jeopardy clause like the US does?

Even if they do, I don't think there's international reciprocity... it's the first time he's tried in germany

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
But they're trying him on murder charges twice, which is double jeopardy.

Entire World != US.

Does Germany have a double jeopardy clause like the US does?

He's a US citizen, though, and it sounds like Germany is willing to break the rules a bit in order to make up for past crimes. It sounds like their case is really a stretch, but it's almost guaranteed to succeed in their courts since the cards are now stacked in their favor.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
But they're trying him on murder charges twice, which is double jeopardy.

Entire World != US.

Does Germany have a double jeopardy clause like the US does?

He's a US citizen, though, and it sounds like Germany is willing to break the rules a bit in order to make up for past crimes. It sounds like their case is really a stretch, but it's almost guaranteed to succeed in their courts since the cards are now stacked in their favor.

He is not a US Citizen... the Justice Department had his citizenship stripped (twice) because there was enough proof (he admitted to being a SS guard) that he was involved.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Evadman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
But they're trying him on murder charges twice, which is double jeopardy.

Entire World != US.

Does Germany have a double jeopardy clause like the US does?

Even if they do, I don't think there's international reciprocity... it's the first time he's tried in germany

This. I'm pretty sure double jeopardy doesn't protect you from being charged for the same crime by another country.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
He is not a US Citizen... the Justice Department had his citizenship stripped (twice) because there was enough proof (he admitted to being a SS guard) that he was involved.

Right, he just happens to be living in the US. I think he's technically 'stateless'

 

[theeedude]

Do they have jurisdiction since the camp was in Poland?

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Do they have jurisdiction since the camp was in Poland?

I wonder if he was considered a German citizen once he became SS. A country can most certainly try their citizens for crimes, even when committed outside of the borders

It's why, as a US citizen, you can't just travel to Singapore, commit child molestation and expect to be immune from consequences if found out by US prosecutors.

 

[oiprocs]

If it is indeed true, why shouldn't he die? The others found guilty for their crimes were killed. Why should be he allowed to live?

I say get him so that he doesn't know what happens in 2012.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
If it is true, off to the gallows.

I thought soldiers just follow orders and are above blame for the mistakes of their superiors?

That's entirely not true in the United States Military. You are to follow lawful orders only. Really tough to say for the Nazi's though.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Do they have jurisdiction since the camp was in Poland?

If he can be tried in Israel (he was), it's not much of a stretch to believe he could be tried in Germany.

 

[Xylitol]

don't send him over... he's so old anyways
he was just following orders

 

[Squisher]

Based on the daily news reports that came out during the first trial, I came to believe he was innocent.

 

[Wheezer]

huh, i thought he died already.....