Dual-Layer Standard May Disappear Soon
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Which is why I'm waiting for a burner. If the media were out I'd get it, but hell, no media means no drive for me. I'll spend my upgrade dollars elsewhere for the time being.
Ian
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15/30 is the HD-DVD-ROM and 20/40 is for the HD-DVD-RW, kinda odd how home users will get more space then commercial users.
The only way I can see DL DVD becoming obsolete is if HD-DVD and BD discs and burners cost the same or maybe a little more than DL DVD discs and burners, and I doubt that is going to happen any time soon.
I'm not spending $10 for 8.5 gigs when 4.7 cost 40 cents seems silly. I'll wait til the Blue burners show up.
What's the difference?
You can get one of the best burners on the market (3500/3520) from NEC for like $70.
I have yet to burn a DL disc. We need faster media more than anything.
Don't wait, buy one now.
Def 3: People who wait for new NForce4 board
Def 4: People who buy newest ATI/NVidia card for ~$400
Exactly. Right now, I'm willing to spend the $70 it takes to buy a NEC 3520 or a Pioneer 108 because I know it will be a fast single layer DVD burner that gives me reliable burns. I also look for a good CD-R writing speed as well, which you also get on the new burners. After that, DL is just icing on the cake. I don't really consider it to be something that I'm truly paying extra for. When the Blue-Ray or HD-DVDs recordable drives come out they are going to cost a LOT initially and so is the media. DL disks won't always be $10 a pop. Truthfully, though, I don't really think the recordable DL disks will ever really take off, since the single layer disks will always be cheaper due to their simpler manufacturing process.
It's not that I'm exactly waiting for HD or BR burners, it's simply not in my budget ($500 going to other various parts right now) and when I AM ready for a DL burner, maybe more media will be out and cheaper for those times where I need/want dual-layer media.
Ian
As if any manufracturer can predict prices a year from now.
BR is nice, but it will take years to penetrate.
DL burners are here now and they are dirt cheap.
BR is nice, but it will take years to penetrate.
DL burners are here now and they are dirt cheap.
A lot of Sony's alternate solutions though theoretically superior fail. I'm sure all us old timers remember beta vcrs.
I don't see Dual Layer fading out soon. It's like seeing people dump their dvd collections for hd dvd. Dual Layer will be the affordable solution for ~a year. Most movies already fit on a single layer sufficiently.
I don't see Dual Layer fading out soon. It's like seeing people dump their dvd collections for hd dvd. Dual Layer will be the affordable solution for ~a year. Most movies already fit on a single layer sufficiently.
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I do not agree with the timeline that the linked author has. Although Blue whatever is out this year, it will be 2-3 years for a full market penetration. I have had to wait that long just for DVD-ROM players to be available with DVD+R or -R compatibility before dropping VHS as my authoring choice (wanted to release a disc in 03, but they worked on 1 out of 3 DVD players). So, even if Blue is out this year, DL has at least 2 years in it. And, they should still work in new players (but booktype is important, so still using NEC or Pioneer burners.) Now that discs are 5 for $30 (Ritek DL 2.4x), I would expect DL media to hit $3 or maybe less per disc by 12/05. Still, with a 2 disc case, 2 DVDs are much cheaper than 1 DL disc.
That Cooltechzone author also must shop at 7-Eleven, QT, or Walgreens. $150 for a Pioneer? I wonder what I could sell him? I could make a profit really quick reselling out of newegg.
Who cares anyway? Pioneer has already talked about UV with up to 500GB on a disc. Sigh. Maybe it will slow down with Gamma-Ray Million Layer discs...
That Cooltechzone author also must shop at 7-Eleven, QT, or Walgreens. $150 for a Pioneer? I wonder what I could sell him? I could make a profit really quick reselling out of newegg.
Who cares anyway? Pioneer has already talked about UV with up to 500GB on a disc. Sigh. Maybe it will slow down with Gamma-Ray Million Layer discs...
They fit sufficiently on single layers WITH the extras (a 1:1 copy essentially)? If I ummmm...BACK UP...my movie collection, I'd want everything fit on the disc, not just the movie.
Ian
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Well, I bought the Toshiba 5X Dual Layer burner simply because I needed a burner for a new system, and it really wasn't much more than other burners at $60. I might never use the 5X DL capability, but that's not why I bought the thing, anyway. I bought it because CD's don't hold enough data for me anymore.
The point was that Dual Layer Media has a high failure rate in the manufacture phase so it is expensive plus the big media producers are gearing up for blue and won't produce enough to bring prices down like normally occurs.
So $10 may be the lowest price we see.
So $10 may be the lowest price we see.
I think it's pretty obvious that Blu-Ray won't fail. I was skeptical at first, but hitching it to the PS3 is a stroke of genius. Massive player penetration all over the world immediately, given that Sony is still easily the market leader in the video game world (by a big margin, if I remember correctly), will make it very easy for the movie industry to get on board. It's as much of a Sony corporate move as anything else, but that's how you wield your power well.
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