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Dual-Layer Recordable DVD

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Dual-layer recorders are supposed to be released *VERY* soon. I heard that MediaTek and Phillips will release new firmware for some existing drives to enable dual-layer recording. Naturally, I expect the first generation of dual-layer recorders to come at a premium cost. It would make sense to buy a current, future-upgradeable, "single-layer" recorder at the price of a standard single-layer recorder.

Which particular drive should I buy? Please help me decide before it's too late!

http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.html?i=21731
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Easy trigger. Phillips showed that they could use upgraded firmware to burn to a dual-layer disc, but that doesn't mean they will actually release it. I certainly wouldn't hold my breath.

Seriously, I understand the yearning for bleeding-edge technology, but if you just wait a month or two after they first come out, you'll have your answer then. If Phillips hasn't released firmware capable of burning to dual-layer discs, and someone hasn't made a hacked firmware that will do it, then you'll know that you should buy an ACTUAL dual-layer burner.

Just wait. You'll be happier.
 
I work for BB and we already have SKU's for the Sony and Lite-On dual layer DVD recorders. They should be in stock sometime in early May and I can't remember the exact prices, but the Lite-On was going for around $200 and the Sony for around $225 IIRC. I think the only thing that will really suck about these are dual layers disks will probably be very spendy to start out with.

Jonny
 
Originally posted by: jonny13
I think the only thing that will really suck about these are dual layers disks will probably be very spendy to start out with.
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Exactly. Plus, as always, if you wait a little more, there's even better around the corner:

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And now I'm very glad to have waited before jumping on the DVD-R bandwagon.

I still might.... this should cut prices for single-layer devices! 😀
 
Jack, did you see the Pioneer news on the electron beam 50GB they are working on? And you want just a measly 23GB 😉
 
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Vernor
Is dual layer just a plug until blu-ray arrives, or will it stick around for a while ?
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Dude, Blu-Ray needs to hurry up and get here, FAST! :|
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Blu-Ray discs will be available towards the end of this year, but we won't be seeing hollywood movies on these until 2006/2007.
Forbes has a story on the next gen DVD format. According to a Philips rep, Hollywood will decide whether Blu Ray or HD DVD will make the race, and that the decision won't be made until the 4th quarter of 2004. Once again, the most problematic issue is copy protection. Whereas studios want to strip us of any possibility to make copies just like they tried with DVD (thank god that didn't work out), they'll certainly try again. According to the article, we won't see prerecorded HD content until 2006/2007.
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http://www.doom9.org

 
I find it funny how everyone says that they're waiting for Blu-Ray and how Blu-Ray will take over. If consumers wanted big bulky cartridges instead of thin discs they would've all flocked to DVD-RAM but they didn't since they all like the CD-style/size. Second, Blu-Ray will cost manufacturers a lot more to implement than HD-DVD, so I highly doubt manufacturers that have huge DVD manufacturing plants making all sorts of DVD movie titles would choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. Third, people would be willing to accept HD-DVD as just a high-def version of DVDs just an upgraded model if you will, they however will look at Blu-Ray as what it is, an incompatible format trying to push into the super successful DVD market and they will shun it.

So for all those waiting for Blu-Ray to take over, I wouldn't hold my breath. Blu-Ray will probably just be used in the data storage/back-up sectors of the market while HD-DVD will be used for that but also mainly in the movie sector of the market.
 
Originally posted by: OddTSi
I find it funny how everyone says that they're waiting for Blu-Ray and how Blu-Ray will take over. If consumers wanted big bulky cartridges instead of thin discs they would've all flocked to DVD-RAM but they didn't since they all like the CD-style/size.
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Nah, more likely it's cost, since DVD-RAM drives were very expensive until recently. That and compatibility with DVD players of course.

Similarly, however, Blu-Ray is gonna be VERY expensive for quite some time. Dual-layer and single-layer DVD burners are going to dominate for quite some time.
 
"Capacity and cost savings were the major reasons HP and other industry leaders chose to support Blu-ray Disc," said Maureen Weber, general manager of HP's Optical Storage Solutions. "The PC business revolves around volume and cost; and, the fact that the most logical cost choice also offers far better quality - as well as a smooth transition plan that is both forward- and backward-looking - is icing on the cake."

Just hype ?
 
Originally posted by: OddTSi
I find it funny how everyone says that they're waiting for Blu-Ray and how Blu-Ray will take over. If consumers wanted big bulky cartridges instead of thin discs they would've all flocked to DVD-RAM but they didn't since they all like the CD-style/size. Second, Blu-Ray will cost manufacturers a lot more to implement than HD-DVD, so I highly doubt manufacturers that have huge DVD manufacturing plants making all sorts of DVD movie titles would choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. Third, people would be willing to accept HD-DVD as just a high-def version of DVDs just an upgraded model if you will, they however will look at Blu-Ray as what it is, an incompatible format trying to push into the super successful DVD market and they will shun it.

So for all those waiting for Blu-Ray to take over, I wouldn't hold my breath. Blu-Ray will probably just be used in the data storage/back-up sectors of the market while HD-DVD will be used for that but also mainly in the movie sector of the market.
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1. TDK has joined the Blu-ray group and will provide its hard-coat technology for Blu-ray Discs without cartridges.
2. According to a recent press release Blu-ray Discs will not be more expensive to make than a DVD when volume production is reached.
3. If people only look at the name they might as well think that Blu-ray sounds new and cool while HD-DVD sounds just like a small improvement of the standard DVD. Hopefully not all people are so stupid that they only look at the name...
BTW HD-DVDs original name was AOD, reverse that and you have what this format probably will be 🙂
 
Jack, did you see the Pioneer news on the electron beam 50GB they are working on? And you want just a measly 23GB
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Yes, that's drive is remarkable. I never thought to use an electron beam for writing. Does it still use an optical beam for reading?
 
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Jack, did you see the Pioneer news on the electron beam 50GB they are working on? And you want just a measly 23GB
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Yes, that's drive is remarkable. I never thought to use an electron beam for writing. Does it still use an optical beam for reading?
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Ehm I think you have misread the press release...

"Pioneer Corporation and its subsidiary, Pioneer FA Corporation, announced today that they have jointly developed a high-precision electron beam recorder (EBR) by utilizing their fine-processing technology and equipment technology, which will make it easier to manufacture master discs for next-generation optical discs such as Blu-ray Discs. Pioneer FA will start selling the new high-precision EBR in early April, 2004."
 
Originally posted by: Belzer
2. According to a recent press release Blu-ray Discs will not be more expensive to make than a DVD when volume production is reached.
3. If people only look at the name they might as well think that Blu-ray sounds new and cool while HD-DVD sounds just like a small improvement of the standard DVD. Hopefully not all people are so stupid that they only look at the name...
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2) Everything is less expensive once it reaches volume production. That's a stupid statement to make. The point is that HD-DVD will be a significantly smaller investment for manufacturers since they can reuse most of their equipment/techniques from developing regular DVDs, which is NOT the case for Blu-Ray.

3) Who the hell was talking about the name? I'm talking about what each side actually DOES. By design HD-DVD is backwards compatible with today's DVDs, Blu-Ray is not. Blu-Ray is a proprietary format created to REPLACE DVD not to improve it. Extra functionality will need to be added to Blu-Ray drives to make them read today's DVDs, kind of like with drives that support both DVD-R and DVD-RAM. This extra functionality costs extra money as seen today with how dual-format DVD burners are more expensive than their single-format brethren even though they only differ in writing technique and not media size.

Blu-Ray will be more expensive to manufacturers and thus more expensive to us. But hey, it's the latest buzzword that's getting all sorts of hype around the internet, therefore it MUST be good.
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The next-gen format war is going to get ugly. I bet the end result will be that DVDs will have a longer lifespan, which is unfortunate because I want HD content damnit!
 
Originally posted by: OddTSi
2) Everything is less expensive once it reaches volume production. That's a stupid statement to make. The point is that HD-DVD will be a significantly smaller investment for manufacturers since they can reuse most of their equipment/techniques from developing regular DVDs, which is NOT the case for Blu-Ray.
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Maybe but it's the overall production cost when volume production is reached that is interesting. And there Blu-ray might as well be cheaper than HD-DVD because only one injection molding is needed (where the optical characteristics are not important) while HD-DVD needs two where the second needs to have very stringent optical characteristics else you will get problems with birefringence etc.

3) Who the hell was talking about the name? I'm talking about what each side actually DOES. By design HD-DVD is backwards compatible with today's DVDs, Blu-Ray is not. Blu-Ray is a proprietary format created to REPLACE DVD not to improve it. Extra functionality will need to be added to Blu-Ray drives to make them read today's DVDs, kind of like with drives that support both DVD-R and DVD-RAM. This extra functionality costs extra money as seen today with how dual-format DVD burners are more expensive than their single-format brethren even though they only differ in writing technique and not media size.
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Dual format is more expensive mainly because of extra licensing costs. You're wrong that HD-DVD automatically would be backward compatible with standard DVDs. Both Blu-ray drives and HD-DVD drives will of course need red lasers for reading DVDs and CDs too. The extra cost should however be more or less negligible. And what do you mean with "Blu-Ray is a proprietary format created to REPLACE DVD not to improve it"? Of course HD-DVD is also a "proprietary format " and both formats are created to replace the DVD AND improve it...
Go back and read a little more before you bother to answer the next time.
 
I really, really don't need HD-DVD or Blu Ray for most of my movies. But for the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Lawrence of Arabia, the original Star Wars trilogy, the Godfather trilogy, etc... yeah, it'll be amazing to see those in a much higher resolution. Eventually I hope to have a home theater (been reading too much at AVSForum.com) and the extra resolution is definetly going to add a lot to the home theater experience.

I don't know if this High Def stuff is going to catch on that fast (I don't need Hi-Def for Monty Python and the Holy Grail no matter how much I love it), but I'm definetly hoping for stunning, stunning quality for some of the more epic films out there and those yet to come.
 
Why the rush for bluray? What are you going to play it with? Bluray/HD DVD are a LONG way away. Believe me DVD recorders are going to be so cheap next year you probably wont even remember what bluray is by then.

Kristopher
 
Originally posted by: Ilmater
Easy trigger. Phillips showed that they could use upgraded firmware to burn to a dual-layer disc, but that doesn't mean they will actually release it. I certainly wouldn't hold my breath.

Seriously, I understand the yearning for bleeding-edge technology, but if you just wait a month or two after they first come out, you'll have your answer then. If Phillips hasn't released firmware capable of burning to dual-layer discs, and someone hasn't made a hacked firmware that will do it, then you'll know that you should buy an ACTUAL dual-layer burner.

Just wait. You'll be happier.
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Or, if they do release the firmware, it'll be after they make a charge to your credit card.
 
Originally posted by: Ilmater
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I think the only thing that will really suck about these are dual layers disks will probably be very spendy to start out with.
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Exactly. Plus, as always, if you wait a little more, there's even better around the corner:

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Don't you think dual layer burners will be a much better release to the public than blue ray? Heck, nobody in America owns a blue ray burner and all of the movies sold come on dual layer DVD media. Seems like the blue ray is a good idea but far from becoming a household product.
 
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