DSL Question: I have 768/128 supposedly but my max download is like 40kbps and upload is like 40 too

dxkj

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Anyone know what could be causing this?



Using an old old old 10 port hub
DSL modem provided by SBC is linked into the hub, then 3 computers are connected to the hub to form the network. I connect to the internet on the main computer, and the other 2 share it.


IS this inefficient in some way? I was thinking of getting upgraded to a 1.5/?? for another 30 a month, but this seems to be pointless if I am limited elsewhere...
 

JackMDS

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768Kb/sec. should yield about 60KB/sec. Download.

First connect one computer directly to the Modem and see what you get.

To optimize this compute:

Download DrTCP: http://www.dslreports.com/front/DRTCP021.exe

Run the program, it will show the current settings of TCP/IP parameters. Write them down.

You can change any variable that you want, click Apply, and reboot the computer, if no good; you can always change to your original values.

Start with:

MaxMTU - 1492 for DSL

Tcp Receive - 255552

Window Scaling - Yes

Time Stamping - No

Selective Acks - Yes

Path MTU Discovery - Yes.

Black Hole - NO

Max Duplicate - 2

TTL ? 64

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When one computer works well. GO GET A ROUTER (FYI. It is the 21st century)

AnandTech - FAQ. Basic Options for Internet Connection Sharing

AnandTech - FAQ. Hubs, routers, switches, DSL, LANs, WANs...?
 

dxkj

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shouldnt theoretical max be like


768/8 = 96kBps
128/8= 16kBps

or am I off there?
 

JackMDS

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As you said "Theoretical Max".

A lot of System overhead especially in Windows envioroment.
 

dxkj

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so even though 96 is my "theoretical max" its not unheard of to be getting like 40-50 instead?



My question is:

1) Is there a way to upgrade my network Hub etc, that could get me up near to 70 or 80kBps
2) Or should I just get an upgrade to a 1.5 line and hopefully end up with 80'ish download speeds then

3) Will doing #2 actually help anything, or am I more than likely going to be limited to 40 anyway
 

dxkj

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err and I will run dr etc later when I get home and try everything you said :)
 

JackMDS

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Ok - sigh - Once more.

1. First establish your ISP bandwidth "Push? and the quality of your lines by optimizing one computer. (Instruction in my post above).

2. If one optimized computer yields only 40KB/sec. Call your ISP and see what they have to say.

If your One Optimized Computer Yields 60KB/sec. (or more).

Get your self a Cable/DSL Router instead of the concoction that you have now.

 

dxkj

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ok jack, I did everything you said and i got the identical same score, so I guess I need to have a chat with my ISP>?
 

dxkj

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768/128

I am getting
324/108

I've moved all the variabled around like you said and no gains, same thing... I also reset my dsl modem, used a different cord etc. The hub apparently isnt slowing anything down.
 

JackMDS

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Ok.

When you call them you have to be with one computer hooked to the Modem. Otherwise they may refuse to support you.
 

dxkj

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I talked to them told them all I did, had everything hooked up right, etc etc


And they were pretty much blown away, and said thats more than even they knew to do, and that they would send someone over to check it out.



What are they going to check out? Supposedly they are going to do something in the apartment but I dont know what it is.
 

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FYI I have SBC 768/128, I get about 75-80 KB/s down, 16 KB/s up. I got a Linksys router. Even my old school win98 notebook (pentium 120) hooked up over wireless can get these rates.

-- Joel
 

JackMDS

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Originally posted by: dxkj
I talked to them told them all I did, had everything hooked up right, etc etc


And they were pretty much blown away, and said thats more than even they knew to do, and that they would send someone over to check it out.



What are they going to check out? Supposedly they are going to do something in the apartment but I dont know what it is.
I think they are going to check the signal that is entering into your house (at the NID). To determine if the is slow their side of the line.

If the entry signal is OK they will have to check the signal at the outlet that is used by the DSL Modem. If the signal is OK there they will probably give you a new Modem. If the signal that gets to the Modem is bad they probably will consider running a separate new line from the NID to the Modem.

P.S. NID is the gray box put by the Telco to connect the House to the Telco feeds.


 

dxkj

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Thanks again for your help Jack.


I am in a large apartment complex, 3 buildings 17 stories, probably 8 apartments per floor? So Im not sure what they will find in the mess of wires in the basement :)
 

freegeeks

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With some modems you can use a browser to see the settings.

It is possible that your DSL is not syncronizing on 768k because of the bad quality of your line. (like JackMDS said before).
 

MrPhelps

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I was told they only guarantee 1/2 the download speed. So if you're getting around 350/400 thats all they will do at the least.
 

JackMDS

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Originally posted by: MrPhelps
I was told they only guarantee 1/2 the download speed. So if you're getting around 350/400 thats all they will do at the least.
When you buy DSL service the speed assigned is the speed that they push at the DSLAM where the end of your line is connected (that is usually at their local facility). There is an acceptable degradation of service due to distance from the DSLAM.

The ISP has to provide (pending on distance) the signal at or close to your contract to your local NID.

At that point the trouble starts.

If you reside in an old house with bad Tel. line there could be a fast declined from your NID to your Modem. At this point it is your call you can wire a new line, or pay the Telco to wire a new line.

The problems arise in Apartment Buildings. If the signal is OK at the entrance to the building, but bad at your apartment it might be impossible or extremely expensive to rewire the line.

In other words nobody should accept a general statement like in the post above.

Could be that it is not cost effective to remedy the problem, but it is ISP duty to tell you where is the problem.



 

dxkj

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I was told they only guarantee 1/2 the download speed. So if you're getting around 350/400 thats all they will do at the least.


I live a block or so from their distribution point, so they should be able to figure out where the problem is and fix it. I've been paying for 768/128 for 10 months and never really worried about it too much, but I am using more and more bandwidth now and realized I had a problem...


I could understand only getting 90% or 80% at worst 75% of what Im paying for, but 40% Im definitely going to try to figure out what the problem is :)
 

dxkj

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When i got back from work there was a message on my machine saying a guy had come by and tested stuff and that everything was running fine and that he closed the work order.


I didnt really tell him the work order was ready to be closed but he seemed satisfied.... Im still at 324..100
 

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When i got back from work there was a message on my machine saying a guy had come by and tested stuff and that everything was running fine and that he closed the work order.


I didnt really tell him the work order was ready to be closed but he seemed satisfied.... Im still at 324..100

I suppose he could not enter your appartement to check the incoming line so it is still possible that there is a problem with your line.
 

Lord Evermore

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A good DSL provider will guarantee 80% of your contracted speed. Unfortunately a lot of residential services don't. Earthlink apparently considers it all good if you only get 500Kbps on a 1.5Mbps rated line (and you pay the same amount as someone getting 1.5M throughput). If your contract does not explicitly state that you will get a minimum throughput, then you're SOL. The wording of a contract or whatever you may have signed is likely such that by providing you a line and setting their equipment to attempt a full 768Kbps/128Kbps connection, they've fulfilled their requirements, whether you can actually maintain those speeds or not.

However. There are multiple types of ADSL service. Standard ADSL means they set the DSLAM port to a specific speed, like 768/128. The DSLAM has to get sync with your DSL modem (or the built-in modem of a router). If the signal quality is too low, or there is interference, you will fail to sync and not get any sort of connection. Rate-adaptive DSL allows the DSLAM or DSL modem to automatically modulate the speed settings based on line quality. If it can't maintain a connection at 768/128, it will attempt the next lowest speed, such as 512/128, then 384/128 (128 being such a low speed, the quality can be quite bad before it can't be maintained). The speed change happens at a regular rate, depending on changing line conditions. This can be useful if storms or other things cause temporary interference, since it stops you from entirely losing your connection.

If they installed RADSL, but did not state anything about varying speeds in the contract, and the contract states they've supplied a 768/128 line, then you've got something to complain about.

The first thing to do is test transfer rates to your ISP's own FTP/web servers. An ISP will actually only guarantee that you'll be able to get the full bandwidth on the line itself, between your modem and the DSLAM. If you can't get full bandwidth to a site, they can't necessarily do anything about that. However they will usually consider it an issue if you're unable to get full speed to one of their own servers on their own network.

Speakeasy's site tests are also quite good I've found, better than most other download test sites. The local one for me would be Boston, but they also have links to their other sites. Speakeasy's servers have multiple connections to backbones, so they have good bandwidth available.

You can ask your ISP to verify the provisioning of your DSL line as 768k/128k. It is possible that it was accidentally set to something lower. You can also ask specifically whether you have rate-adaptive DSL. Keep in mind that while your ISP may have their equipment set up to allow you transfers at those speeds, they also need to verify whether the DSL provider has it set properly in the DSLAM (something that the ISP can often check using the DSL provider's online support tools; you might even be able to verify and test it yourself at the DSL provider's site). Most ISP's do not directly provide DSL service, they resell service from another company like Covad. The telephone company DSL services however are naturally part of the same company, but are different divisions.

Varying speeds of DSL are provided based on distance. You can see what distance you are from the nearest central office by going to a site like Covad.com or speakeasy.net and using their availability lookup tool. It is not uncommon for a DSL provider to set up and allow the provisioning of a DSL line that is faster than it should be given the distance a person is from the CO (because it means more money coming from the user).
 

cnhoff

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That you only get 60kb/s in a Windows environment on a 768kbit connection is crap. I am using Suse 8.1 and XP and i get exactly 95 kb/s download bandwidth in both environments...