Drug war in Mexico

[piasabird]

They dont pay police much in Mexico. Mostly police in Mexico get by on bribing the Mexican population.

 

[Zorkorist]

Totally different culture not prone to revolutions. For many reasons. First of all poverty is no big deal since it's a virtue necessary to get into heaven they don't make a huge issue of it like Anglos. Second it's a way more family society and they don't put their trust in politicians to lead them to promise land but family. Lack of initiative and self reliance are also issues that work against Jeffersonian revolutions. And much more makes it very doubtful.

The Mexican govt and the elite makes billions off drugs and illegals. They put on window dressing but are involved thick with both.

Drugs is just half of it Calderon is so corrupt he flooded an entire state for his own profits!

Ten or so years ago, Mexico was the place to be, if you were an American Factory.

Today, Factories are in China.

It's going to happen to us. As there aren't any more American Factories.

-John

 

[bfdd]

Ten or so years ago, Mexico was the place to be, if you were an American Factory.

Today, Factories are in China.

It's going to happen to us. As there aren't any more American Factories.

-John

20 or so years ago, this isn't 2000 any more.

 

[bfdd]

I, my self, living this war first handed (im from mexico) would like to know how you, people from the USA would do to stop this war. I have asked my self this question about a 1000 times and have not have come with an answer, why? because its so complex, we have the police, politicians, the mexican fiba, mex cia, mex EVERYTHING inflitrated in this "buisness" (sorry for the spelling) and please bealive me when I say ITS HARD to live here, i accept that we as a country need help, that is for sure. Just yesterday outside a walmart there was an aexecution of an ex agent and a 10 year old boy... TEN! then a couple of hours later an execution of 3 people outside a store like walmart (LEY). This is not spam but if you know spanish please visiti blogdelnarco.com there you will see the type of scum we deal everyday with. The peolpe that execute we call thme "sicarios", those are the garbage of garbage here, scarios are from the ages of 14 to 80 and im not joking! that young and they are decapitating people, kidnaping, torturing (sp) and what not! You people from the US have to understand that this war is beacuse we can not control this as a country alone, we as a continent have to do something. all the way from colombia, guatemala, mexico, united states, canada, alaska, etc! we all together have to do something like stop buying weed! you might thing smkonig weed is harmless, but that weed that some american (and mexicans) smoke has blood on it! it is not harfull! because of that people get killed everyday! im sorry that this got so long, and boring, ando dificult to understand. But please understand that not all of us mexicans have sombreros and ride burros and all that kind of stuff, we work hard, we sweat for our families, some of us DIE for our families! we are a hard working country, but like any other country, there are people that like fast money and would do ANYTHING for money :S but there are people willing (like my self) that would die for our future (my sons) so PLEASE when you see a mexican just dont asume that he as "narco" please dont do that.
this is my first post and is my first time in a long time that a write in english, so if you had the time to read this, im sorry for my spelling. Ando if you would want to know whats going on here in mexico, specifically in sonora, dont hesitate to ask.
yours trully luis.

you guys need a revolution. most of the problems stem from an extremely corrupt government then tack on the fact our stupid drug war makes this incredibly profitable shit goes to hell. it really is sad that we the USA would rather fuck off in the ME than help Mexico to the South.

 

[Zorkorist]

Their problems stem from the fact that they, as a country, are not seeing any benefit what-so-ever, from America to their North.

Blame this on politicians, all the way.

Politicians strip Americans of their income, and so carefully allocate it to other Americans.

Without the IRS/Politicians, then Mexico is probably bustling today, instead of being carefully exploited.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Minimum Wage laws, also have busted the Mexicans...

The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

-John

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Two men who were dressed up as clowns were found dead by marines in the Chontalpa zone, early this morning. According to initial reports, they were executed by elements of organized crime, they had obvious signs of torture.

It had been only hours since the start of the New Year and the murders went on unabated. On 5th street, in the Calzada section, two people were found dead, dressed as clowns.

Along with the corpse there was a message.

“This happened to me because I was a snitch, I thought that SEDENA would protect me" ATTE FEZ.

SEDENA is Mexico's Secretary of National Defense.

Around the corpses, over 30 spent "cop killer" shell casings were found.

Upon initial investigations, a rumor began to circulate that the bodies were those of two men who were army infiltrators. Essentially undercover agents in the world of organized crime. Upon having their cover blown, the were abducted early in the moring yesterday, and were killed later that day.

The corpses were delivered to the local Medical Examiner, who later performed the autopsy that confirmed the cause of death. The open case was filed in Tabasco under CAR-III- 05 /2011.

In 2010 there were 17 executions in the municipality of Cárdenas.

 

[Zorkorist]

And people worry about illegal immigration.

So sick this is on our border.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Payasos.

-John

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Acapulco.- The world famous tourist destination that is known for its beautiful beaches and luxury resorts, saw its first massacre of 2011. Early this Saturday morning, 25 people were found dead, 14 of which were decapitated and another was semi-disemboweled in one particular incident.

15 bodies were dumped on the sidewalk of the commercial center; Plaza Sendero.

Investigators also found three messages with references to Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzmán.

The bodies were reported to the local police around 12:35 a.m. by an anonymous tip phoned into the emergency hotline (066).

The 15 bodies that were dumped on the sidewalk were also covered in dirt and sand, presumably they were killed at another location before being dumped in front of the Plaza Sendero.

Witnesses told MILENIO that at least 8 vehicles with armed men drove up and set up roadblocks along the Cayaco and Puerto Marqués streets. The commandos then began to threaten bystanders, local shopkeepers and the customers inside, "telling them to shutdown their businesses and for everyone to clear the street or they would be shot."

The siege lasted about 15 minutes and it closed the busy avenue to the local transit services and other public service vehicles. During this time, police officers did not make their presence known, and authorities didn't respond to the scene until well after the assailants had fled.

In a statement released by the Guerrero SSP, "elements of the Municipal, Ministerial, State and the Federal police, aided by the Army, have today reinforced security in the port city of Acapulco”.

He also revealed that the municipal police had not interfered with the response “they left as soon as they arrived, almost immediately" waiting only long enough for the Army and Federal police to arrive and secure the crime scene. Over a stretch of 20 meters along the sidewalk of the commercial center, lay the bodies of 15 men who had been brutally murdered. One of them had been partially decapitated, all the victims were between the ages of 16 and 30 years old.

The bloodstained lamp posts and crimson water in the fountain at the center of the commercial zone indicated the killers tried to wash their hands of the crime they committed before making their escape.

Three bodies had messages attatched to them that made references to the cartel of el Chapo Guzmán.
The first two read:

“This will happen to all those trying to take over this plaza, Atentamente El Cártel Pesado. Chapo Guzmán”.

“To all citizens, no more cuotas. Atentamente El Chapo Guzmán”.

It is not clear if these are addressed to, or from, the Sinaloa cartel.

In another incident that also occurred early Saturday morning in colonia La Cima, a body was found in a late model Volkswagen with several gunshot wounds suffered from an AK-47.

6 more bodies were later discovered inside a taxi (2 in the trunk) along theVicente Guerrero blvd, and another 2 were found dumped in a canal near the crime scene. A few hours later a man was gunned down on Chopin street, in a small colonia only one kilometer away from the scene of the massacre of Plaza Sendero.

This leaves a total of 25 people dead in less than 24 hours.

 

[Zorkorist]

Link Please.

-John

 

[Young Grasshopper]

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/01/acapulco-massacre-25-people-killed-15.html


According to the coroner they were decapitated while alive.

 

[Jhhnn]

Here's a nice little tidbit wrt the source of guns in Mexico-

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/o...//json8.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.jsonp

Surprise! It's the US!

And, of course, our first amendment freaks are up in arms about the BATF asking for records pertaining to the sale of multiple removeable magazine weapons (cartel faves) to individuals.

I mean, who wants to rat out their best customers, right?

If we really want to help stop the violence in Mexico, maybe we should quit being complicit in it, ya know?

 

[IGBT]

so are you guys still getting all the recreational drugs you need??

 

[werepossum]

Here's a nice little tidbit wrt the source of guns in Mexico-

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/o...//json8.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.jsonp

Surprise! It's the US!

And, of course, our first amendment freaks are up in arms about the BATF asking for records pertaining to the sale of multiple removeable magazine weapons (cartel faves) to individuals.

I mean, who wants to rat out their best customers, right?

If we really want to help stop the violence in Mexico, maybe we should quit being complicit in it, ya know?

I realize that as a progressive you cannot look directly at the Constitution without melting down, but I believe you meant to say Second Amendment freaks. I could be wrong, but most progressives cling to the idea that a country can have a disarmed populace and an all-powerful government whilst somehow retaining freedom of speech. Then again, perhaps you just meant religious people. I imagine sometimes it's difficult to pick out which foaming hatred the voices are prodding.

 

[Jhhnn]

It was late, and I was tired. You're correct, werepossum, about the second amendment vs the first. Mea Culpa.

I apologize for having provided room to obfuscate and dodge, which is what you've done.

I take it that Mexican drug gangs are now seen as "Freedom Fighters" by American righties intent on providing them with all the guns they want, right?

 

[Exterous]

Here's a nice little tidbit wrt the source of guns in Mexico-

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/o...//json8.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.jsonp

Surprise! It's the US!

And, of course, our first amendment freaks are up in arms about the BATF asking for records pertaining to the sale of multiple removeable magazine weapons (cartel faves) to individuals.

I mean, who wants to rat out their best customers, right?

If we really want to help stop the violence in Mexico, maybe we should quit being complicit in it, ya know?

Well, if it's only the states on the border I think it would be reasonable to assume that anyone serious about gun trafficing to Mexico would easily be able to dive another state north and avoid this all together. Therefore - what's the point?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Fun Fact: There is one Drug related kidnapping each day in Arizona.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Put Americans back to work growing pot!!

hemp fibers are incredibly strong. They have many industrial uses.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, if it's only the states on the border I think it would be reasonable to assume that anyone serious about gun trafficing to Mexico would easily be able to dive another state north and avoid this all together. Therefore - what's the point?

The point is that they've already left a paper trail, and that some gun dealers are likely complicit. Which isn't to say that what they've done was illegal, at all. When a gun dealer in El Paso, for example, has a cash paying customer who'll buy all the AR15's he can get, that dealer clearly knows or has reason to suspect that his customer is exporting them illegally. And if the bills reek of marijuana, so what?

And if the ATF wants to expand their efforts to cover other states, honest gun owners really shouldn't have a problem with it. How many of us purchase shitloads of such weapons, anyway?

 

[werepossum]

It was late, and I was tired. You're correct, werepossum, about the second amendment vs the first. Mea Culpa.

I apologize for having provided room to obfuscate and dodge, which is what you've done.

I take it that Mexican drug gangs are now seen as "Freedom Fighters" by American righties intent on providing them with all the guns they want, right?

American righties see Mexican (and South and Central American) drug gangs as very dangerous criminals with the wealth and power of small countries. We want to close the border and thereby stop them from preying on us WITHOUT losing our own G_d-given rights.

American lefties see Mexican (and South and Central American) drug gangs as disadvantaged poor people who are merely innocent victims of American racism and pernicious capitalism, people who would be peaceful productive citizens of the world if we merely disarmed ourselves and gave them free rein to roam our country and maybe get some gubmit cheese. You see the solution to their problem as limiting our freedom.

The topic of American gun dealers arming Mexican drug gangs is also overblown for political purposes. It's often stated that 90% of the arms used by drug gangs in Mexico were legally purchased in America. The actual statistic is for weapons recovered whose origin can be traced. Many nations are not cooperating with Mexican and American authorities, as money from arms sales is a welcome source of income. But bringing arms into Mexico is as easy as bringing in, well, drugs. Consider this:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-arms-race15-2009mar15,0,229992.story

Reporting from Zihuatanejo, Mexico, and Mexico City -- It was a brazen assault, not just because it targeted the city's police station, but for the choice of weapon: grenades.

The Feb. 21 attack on police headquarters in coastal Zihuatanejo, which injured four people, fit a disturbing trend of Mexico's drug wars. Traffickers have escalated their arms race, acquiring military-grade weapons, including hand grenades, grenade launchers, armor-piercing munitions and antitank rockets with firepower far beyond the assault rifles and pistols that have dominated their arsenals.

Most of these weapons are being smuggled from Central American countries or by sea, eluding U.S. and Mexican monitors who are focused on the smuggling of semiauto- matic and conventional weapons purchased from dealers in the U.S. border states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.

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The proliferation of heavier armaments points to a menacing new stage in the Mexican government's 2-year-old war against drug organizations, which are evolving into a more militarized force prepared to take on Mexican army troops, deployed by the thousands, as well as to attack each other.

These groups appear to be taking advantage of a robust global black market and porous borders, especially between Mexico and Guatemala. Some of the weapons are left over from the wars that the United States helped fight in Central America, U.S. officials said.

"There is an arms race between the cartels," said Alberto Islas, a security consultant who advises the Mexican government.

"One group gets rocket-propelled grenades, the other has to have them."

There are even more ominous developments: Authorities reported three thefts of several hundred pounds of blasting material from industrial explosives plants in Durango during a four-day period last month. Authorities believe the material may have been destined for car bombs or remotely detonated roadside devices, which have been used with devastating effect in Iraq, killing more than 1,822 members of U.S.-led forces since the war there began nearly six years ago.

The Mexican army has recovered most of the material, and there has been no reported use of such devices.

Grenades or military-grade weapons have been reported in at least 10 Mexican states during the last six months, used against police headquarters, city halls, a U.S. consulate, TV stations and senior Mexican officials. In a three-week period ended March 6, five grenade attacks were launched on police patrols and stations and the home of a commander in the south-central state of Michoacan. Other such attacks occurred in five other states during the same period.

At least one grenade attack north of the border, at a Texas nightclub frequented by U.S. police officers, has been tied to Mexican traffickers.

How many weapons have been smuggled into Mexico from Central America is not known, and the military-grade munitions are still a small fraction of the larger arsenal in the hands of narcotics traffickers. Mexican officials continue to push Washington to stem the well-documented flow of conventional weapons from the United States, as Congress holds hearings on the role those smuggled guns play in arming Mexican drug cartels.

There is no comprehensive data on how many people have been killed by heavier weapons.

But four days after the assault on the Zihuatanejo police station, four of the city's officers were slain in a highway ambush six miles from town on the road to Acapulco. In addition to the standard AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles, the attackers fired at least six .50-caliber shells into the officers' pickup. The vehicle blew up when hit by what experts believe was a grenade or explosive projectile. The bodies of the officers were charred.

"These are really weapons of war," said Alberto Fernandez, spokesman for the Zihuatanejo city government. "We only know these devices from war movies."

U.S. law enforcement officials say they detected the smuggling of grenades and other military-grade equipment into Mexico about a year and a half ago, and observed a sharp uptick in the use of the weapons about six months ago.

The Mexican government said it has seized 2,239 grenades in the last two years, in contrast to 59 seized over the previous two years.

The enhanced weaponry represents a wide sampling from the international arms bazaar, with grenades and launchers produced by U.S., South Korean, Israeli, Spanish or former Soviet bloc manufacturers. Many had been sold legally to governments, including Mexico's, and then were diverted onto the black market. Some may be sold directly to the traffickers by corrupt elements of national armies, authorities and experts say.

The single deadliest attack on civilians by drug traffickers in Mexico took place Sept. 15 at an Independence Day celebration in the central plaza of Morelia, hometown of President Felipe Calderon and capital of Michoacan. Attackers hurled fragmentation grenades at the celebrating crowd, killing eight people and wounding dozens more.

Amid the recent spate of attacks in Michoacan, federal police on Feb. 20 announced the discovery of 66 fragmentation grenades in the fake bottom of a truck intercepted in southern Mexico, just over the border from Guatemala. The two men arrested with the cargo told police they were transporting the grenades to Morelia.

Grenades used in three attacks in Monterrey and Texas were linked to a single Monterrey warehouse, packed with explosives and high-caliber guns, reportedly belonging to the Gulf cartel. Mexican authorities raided the warehouse in October and seized the cache, which contained South Korean-manufactured grenades similar to the American M67 fragmentation grenade.

Grenades from the same lot were used in a Jan. 6 attack on the Televisa television station in Monterrey, which caused damage but no injuries, and during an Oct. 12 attack against the U.S. Consulate in Monterrey. The device at the consulate did not detonate.

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Late on the night of Jan. 31, a Saturday, a man tossed a grenade into the El Booty Lounge in Pharr, Texas. Three off-duty Texas police officers were there, though authorities would not say whether they were the target. The explosive, which did not detonate, was traced to the Monterrey warehouse.

Traffickers using M203 40-millimeter grenade launchers last year attacked and killed eight Mexican federal police officers in Culiacan, the capital of Sinaloa state. In the northern border city of Nogales, the Sonora state police commander was killed Nov. 2 in an ambush by purported traffickers firing AK-47s and lobbing grenades. He had been returning from a meeting with U.S. authorities in Arizona to discuss gun smuggling.

In the western state of Durango, three people, including a 3-year-old child, were killed in a grenade attack in January.

The firepower has gone beyond grenades. Armed with light antitank weapons, would-be assassins went after the nation's top counternarcotics prosecutor in December 2007. The assailants were intercepted before they reached Jose Luis Santiago Vasconcelos, who was not hurt. The weapons seized were linked to the notorious Sinaloa cartel.

"They were betting on being able to escalate with a spectacular strike precisely to terrify society," Santiago Vasconcelos said at the time. (He was killed in November in a plane crash.)

Beyond the weaponry, drug gangs for several years have demonstrated the ability to form squads and employ military tactics, including the use of assault rifles, hand grenades, grenade launchers and fully automatic weapons to pin down army forces. This has enabled them to attack army patrols frontally, as they did with lethal results Feb. 7 in the central state of Zacatecas, killing one sergeant and critically wounding a colonel.

"At this stage, the drug cartels are using basic infantry weaponry to counter government forces," a U.S. government official in Mexico said. "Encountering criminals with this kind of weaponry is a horse of a different color," the official said.

"It's not your typical patrol stop, where someone pulls a gun. This has all the makings of an infantry squad, or guerrilla fighting."

The fear of guerrilla warfare was compounded in February when 270 pounds of dynamite and several hundred electric detonators were stolen from a U.S. firm in the state of Durango. On Valentine's Day, about 20 masked gunmen, led by a heavyset man wearing gold rings and chains, stormed the warehouse of a subsidiary of Austin Powder Co., an industrial explosives manufacturer, according to official accounts. They overpowered guards and emptied the warehouse. Two similar thefts were reported within four days in the same area.

Although the Mexican army recovered most of the dynamite, the incident augurs an even bloodier trend, officials said.

"There is only one reason to have bulk explosives," said Thomas G. Mangan, spokesman in Phoenix for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "An improvised explosive device. A car bomb."

In addition to grenades, high-powered guns such as the .50-caliber Barrett sniper rifle have become a weapon of choice in narcotics traffickers' arsenals, Mangan said. Unlike grenades and antitank weapons, the .50-caliber guns can be obtained by ordinary citizens in the U.S. and smuggled easily into Mexico, like the tons of assault rifles and automatic pistols.

Mexican law enforcement, such as the police in Zihuatanejo, is grossly outgunned. Officers have protested, seeking better protective gear, weaponry and pay.

Shortly after the Zihuatanejo attacks, police officers staged a brief work stoppage outside their headquarters, where scars from the grenade attack were still visible. One of the blasts left a cereal bowl-shaped divot in the stone pavement and pockmarks on the front of the police building. It went off 100 feet from the nearest street, prompting some officers to suspect that the assailants employed a grenade launcher.

Police have piled sandbags 4 feet high around the compound and security is tight. Commanders have bought 10 bulletproof vests, but say they need at least 280 to equip the city's 343 officers.

The police commander, Pablo Rodriguez, said his officers are terrified. They are armed with semiautomatic .223-caliber rifles made in Italy, Germany and Mexico. The rifles, with folding stocks, are snazzy, but they are no match for the weapons being stockpiled by the drug cartels.

"They are good weapons, but to counteract the types of weapons they're using against us, they're not equal," Rodriguez said.

His officers know they don't stand a chance. Not five days after the highway attack that blew up the police truck, Rodriguez had jobs to fill. Twenty-two of his cops had abruptly quit.

To the extent that drug gangs are using arms purchased in America, they are doing so because it is convenient - because of our porous border. They can certainly import as many fully automatic assault rifles as they wish. Going back to my previous examples of rightie and leftie logic, one of those plans would stop the traffic of arms in either direction - as well as drugs, drug gang members, other hardened criminals, and illegal aliens. The other plan would disarm Americans, who would still be exposed to as many cartel soldiers and criminals as wished to come over, armed however they take the trouble to be armed.

 

[Jhhnn]

American lefties see Mexican (and South and Central American) drug gangs as disadvantaged poor people who are merely innocent victims of American racism and pernicious capitalism, people who would be peaceful productive citizens of the world if we merely disarmed ourselves and gave them free rein to roam our country and maybe get some gubmit cheese. You see the solution to their problem as limiting our freedom.

I'm sorry, but I need to point out that's a really crude strawman, beneath even what little dignity you might possess.

It's beneath contempt.

 

[chucky2]

You're right, it's not maybe some gubmit cheese, it's just plain get some gubmit cheese. Thanks for pointing out that one inaccuracy.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Wow, this thread is sad.