Drug Lord thanks the American War on Drugs

[mugs]

No doubt he'll enjoy being a billionaire until his likely violent, early death.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Dragula22
Decriminalization without legalization is inherently a very dumb idea if you think about it. How can something illegal be decriminalized, and yet remain illegal?

It's basically saying, "we believe what you're doing is wrong but we won't do anything about it."

The gov't needs to regulate the quality and distribution. What decriminalization without legalization would do is take way all risk for these non-tax paying drug dealers.

Again, the gov't needs to regulate. They can control via taxes or other means but it needs to assume control over the situation if we are to see any progress over the issue.

The best way would be as follows:

- Trafficking in MJ is illegal. Allows you to go after the organized criminals still.
- Growing and consumption is decriminalized. Ends the need to buy from drug dealers (grow it in your back yard, it's a weed). Public consumption (like alcohol), DUI (like alcohol), giving to minors (like alcohol) all remain illegal. Basically turn it into "home brewed beer", but much easier.

Street value plummets, OC stops trafficking it in, problem reduced dramatically. No debate about taxing it or distributing it or testing it or drug companies la la la, it's a PLANT.

Marijuana is not techinically a weed, its a flower... Growing it is specialized process like home brewing, and requires a good amount of work. The problem being, you will still have thiefs whom will steal your plants if you leave them outside... then you take it inside, and now you have the greenies bitching about the increase in electric use... The best way i can see to legalize it is like Cigarettes. You will have some major companies jump up. In addition to this, you will see the Hemp industry explode, all left over stems will be used to produce paper, etc... Greenhouses will pop up, and marijuana will be grown like Avacados, mothers, clones, flower... They will then be prepackaged just like cigarettes into boxes, or cigar sized, you also will be able to roll your own. Then there will be the cheap brands, say like marlboro, and then there will be luxury brands...

And then, the hemp... but thats a whole nother discussion.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: JS80


Or it can legitimize these drug traffickers' businesses. Regardless, legalizing cocaine, meth, and heroine is a fucking horrible idea. The unintended consequences would greatly outweigh the perceived "benefits" of legalizing drugs.

What consequences? Anyone anywhere, at any age in the USA that wants it, can get it, provided they have the cash. How would it being legel change anything? IT would make it much cheaper to produce and ship (eliminating hte criminal element). Then we tax the shit out of it and pay off the deficit. Its that simple. That and the money saved on jailing drug offenders.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: mugs
No doubt he'll enjoy being a billionaire until his likely violent, early death.

This isn't a movie. The good guys don't win the war on drugs.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: mugs
No doubt he'll enjoy being a billionaire until his likely violent, early death.

This isn't a movie. The good guys don't win the war on drugs.

I think Mugs was referring to the fact that most likely he will be knocked off by another drug lord and take his place.


I think legalization is the only way to curb the outflow of cash to these guys. Then it could be produced locally, taxed and regulated.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

And then, the hemp... but thats a whole nother discussion.

Yup, hemp is quite a useful product. the oil from seeds can be used for desiel fuel and other things, fiber from the stalks can be made into clothing, paper, and more.

Because hemp and MJ is classified as the same thing, hemp can't be grown here and has to be imported. And only an idiot would grow MJ in the middle of a hemp field. Cross pollination would destroy any drug value the MJ would have.

 

[StageLeft]

I have no idea why people still want to legalize hard drugs as a solution to this problem. That's like legalizing theft so that people stop getting killed in bank holdups. All you people would need to do is watch a few episodes of Intervention and then let me know if you still want to legalize these. You may be immune, your family may not be, or your friends or neighbor. It's no more an intelligent response than putting into place sharia law and a hardcore radical way of islam across the nation to remove the threat of terrorist bombers.

Drop this grade three idea that the war on drugs can be won or lost. It's a continual effort like fighting one's weight or the war on your utility bills. They always come, you will always find money for them. That's how it is. The war on drugs was never meant to be won, it is a continual struggle. It can be fought better. You don't eat a bullet because one day death will inevitably take its grasp on you, so just quit now instead of struggling with problems that come with age.

 

[1prophet]

The Experience of Foreign Countries and Drug Legalization

 

[Dragula22]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I have no idea why people still want to legalize hard drugs as a solution to this problem. That's like legalizing theft so that people stop getting killed in bank holdups. All you people would need to do is watch a few episodes of Intervention and then let me know if you still want to legalize these. You may be immune, your family may not be, or your friends or neighbor. It's no more an intelligent response than putting into place sharia law and a hardcore radical way of islam across the nation to remove the threat of terrorist bombers.

Drop this grade three idea that the war on drugs can be won or lost. It's a continual effort like fighting one's weight or the war on your utility bills. They always come, you will always find money for them. That's how it is. The war on drugs was never meant to be won, it is a continual struggle. It can be fought better. You don't eat a bullet because one day death will inevitably take its grasp on you, so just quit now instead of struggling with problems that come with age.

Yes, tobacco causes cancer. Yes, alcohol leads to DUI, wife beating, etc.

At the very least, we are given a choice to utilize the above. The gov't does an adequate job of providing education to curb drinking, smoking but ultimately who are they to say no and to deprive people to enjoy themselves. If people are too stoopid to be responsible, THEN we should punish them with a fine or incarceration.

I also fail to see your logic of how the benefits of stopping this cash flow to the drug lords would be outweighed by the social ramifications of legalization. Drugs are so easy to obtain and we couldn't really make it more available if we tried.

The violence erupting in Mexico due to the drug lords is ridiculous. And yes, I bet we can dump billions and win the war against Mexico. Then out of no where, the drugs will start coming from Canada. It is an endless battle.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Dragula22
Yes, tobacco causes cancer. Yes, alcohol leads to DUI, wife beating, etc.

At the very least, we are given a choice to utilize the above. The gov't does an adequate job of providing education to curb drinking, smoking but ultimately who are they to say no and to deprive people to enjoy themselves. If people are too stoopid to be responsible, THEN we should punish them with a fine or incarceration.

Either it does or doesn't, but in any case it's obvious that many people ARE too stupid to control themselves and thus must be controlled for their own good. We know this implicitly with children; we don't give them the ability to do everything they may otherwise do because they lack the ability to make the right decisions. Many adults are the same way and it's just a fact.

I also fail to see your logic of how the benefits of stopping this cash flow to the drug lords would be outweighed by the social ramifications of legalization. Drugs are so easy to obtain and we couldn't really make it more available if we tried.

So why argue this at all? I don't think anybody really cares in the grand scheme that this guy is rich. It's symptomatic of a problem. If drugs are easy enough to get now, just leave things as they are. They aren't, though. I wouldn't know where to get cocaine if I wanted some or, honestly, even weed at this point.

The violence erupting in Mexico due to the drug lords is ridiculous. And yes, I bet we can dump billions and win the war against Mexico. Then out of no where, the drugs will start coming from Canada. It is an endless battle.

Many things in life are endless battles but must be fought.

I like the post before yours with the experiences of countries that have tried this.

 

[Dragula22]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Either it does or doesn't, but in any case it's obvious that many people ARE too stupid to control themselves and thus must be controlled for their own good. We know this implicitly with children; we don't give them the ability to do everything they may otherwise do because they lack the ability to make the right decisions. Many adults are the same way and it's just a fact.

What percent of responsible drinkers are the retarded ones? Should the majority of our country quit drinking because a small minority can't handle themselves?
Are you saying we need to treat the population as if they had the mental capacity of children? Why not get rid of fast foods? Hell, most people can't drive sober. Apparently, our fellow citizens can't even handle credit--should we get rid of that? How about littering? Maybe you should move to Singapore. I hear it's beautiful out there--but it's illegal to chew gum.

I mean I kind of agree, humans are incredibly flawed. Some of the things we want are truly messed up. But that's how it is and trying to change that is an exercise in futility.

So why argue this at all? I don't think anybody really cares in the grand scheme that this guy is rich. It's symptomatic of a problem. If drugs are easy enough to get now, just leave things as they are. They aren't, though. I wouldn't know where to get cocaine if I wanted some or, honestly, even weed at this point.

I think you misunderstood my point here. Why does it not make sense to you that keeping the cash flow to fellow citizens within the country, who would be paying taxes, is a much better alternative than sending all these billions to illegal operatives in Mexico.

Drugs are easy to find in this broken system, true. But a percentage of people are continuously being caught for possession, distrubution, etc. Too bad this is all you hear about in the media. It must be so easy to cultivate a one-sided hatred since you never hear about the adults using responsibly. Are you into the arts? music? Drugs are incredibly pervasive in that industry. Consider also, the past 3 Presidents of our country used at one point.

Oh, and if you really wanted drugs, you'd be able to find it. You don't. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Carmen813]

So long as we continue to fund both sides of the drug war, we will never win it. *

*Thank you West Wing.

 

[MovingTarget]

We already have precedent in this country for legal, hard drugs like heroin, etc. Look back to the time before it was criminalized. A return to this kind of situation can't possibly be worse than what we have now. Criminalization has created more problems than it has solved.

 

[gingermeggs]

Forbes is "comparing the deplorable activity of a criminal wanted in Mexico and abroad with that of honest businessmen," he said.

no one whom owns a billion dollars is honest.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: gingermeggs

no one whom owns a billion dollars is honest.

That's pretty absolute. Prove it. While you're at it, invest in a grammar checker.

 

[gingermeggs]

don't like the m' mate?

 

[thegimp03]

Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/...forbes.list/index.html

What a fine accomplishment on our part. Maybe if we pass another gun law it will slow this guy down.

Guy looks like a slightly heavier version of Tony Almeda (sp?) from 24. Haha...