Drug gangs commandeer land in Yosemite, Sequoia

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well this is just great... our national parks arent even safe now from drug gangs.

http://www.thebusinessjournal.com/tourism/4055-drug-gangs-commandeer-land-in-yosemite-sequoia

(AP) — Not far from Yosemite's waterfalls and in the middle of California's redwood forests, Mexican drug gangs are quietly commandeering U.S. public land to grow millions of marijuana plants and using smuggled immigrants to cultivate them.

Pot has been grown on public lands for decades, but Mexican traffickers have taken it to a whole new level: using armed guards and trip wires to safeguard sprawling plots that in some cases contain tens of thousands of plants offering a potential yield of more than 30 tons of pot a year.

"Just like the Mexicans took over the methamphetamine trade, they've gone to mega, monster gardens," said Brent Wood, a supervisor for the California Department of Justice's Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement. He said Mexican traffickers have "supersized" the marijuana trade.

Interviews conducted by The Associated Press with law enforcement officials across the country showed that Mexican gangs are largely responsible for a spike in large-scale marijuana farms over the last several years.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/out...nal-park-marijuana-illegal-pot-farm-bust.html

August 27, 2010 | 10:47 am

Yosemite National Park rangers raided a large marijuana cultivation site in El Portal on Tuesday and seized 3,657 plants plus several pounds of processed marijuana worth an estimated $14.6 million.

The site was on land in both Yosemite National Park and the Sierra National Forest. The marijuana plants found ranged in size from young, 1-foot-tall plants to a mature plot with plants that were 5- to 10-feet tall.

The area was remote enough that hikers or other visitors to the park did not walk into it. Two men -- one armed with a loaded .45 caliber pistol concealed under his clothing -- were working the cultivation site during the raid and were taken into custody. Both suspects are Mexican nationals in the U.S. illegally and are currently in custody awaiting charges to be filed.
 
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Red Dawn

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Well legalizing it will go a long ways in taking care of that. No profit no reason to do it.
 

DietDrThunder

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Well legalizing it will go a long ways in taking care of that. No profit no reason to do it.

The only way this reasoning will work is if you make EVERYTHING illegal, legal. Sure, make pot legal. All this will do is transition the drug trafficers into the next illegal, highly profitable activity. The problem doesn't go away, it just shifts. Hey, I know, let's go ahead and make human trafficing legal. How about forced prostitution rings (slavery) and kidnapping. I'd love to see how this country turns out if our answers to problems in our society is "Let's just make it legal".
 

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Red Dawn

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The only way this reasoning will work is if you make EVERYTHING illegal, legal. Sure, make pot legal. All this will do is transition the drug trafficers into the next illegal, highly profitable activity. The problem doesn't go away, it just shifts. Hey, I know, let's go ahead and make human trafficing legal. How about forced prostitution rings (slavery) and kidnapping. I'd love to see how this country turns out if our answers to problems in our society is "Let's just make it legal".
So they are going to open up illegal Brothels in Yosemtie?o_O
 

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The only way this reasoning will work is if you make EVERYTHING illegal, legal. Sure, make pot legal. All this will do is transition the drug trafficers into the next illegal, highly profitable activity. The problem doesn't go away, it just shifts. Hey, I know, let's go ahead and make human trafficing legal. How about forced prostitution rings (slavery) and kidnapping. I'd love to see how this country turns out if our answers to problems in our society is "Let's just make it legal".

This makes no sense. If someone is addicted to marijuana they will keep smoking it if it is legalized. They won't suddenly switch to buying slaves or hashish just because those are still illegal.

If pot is legalized, potheads will grow their own or (being lazy stoners) buy it at the mini-mart with their munchies.

Legalize and tax it heavily. The drug lords lose a major revenue source, forest grow farms become pointless since they can't compete with the legal farms, tax revenue and and legal jobs are added. World peace.
 

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The only way this reasoning will work is if you make EVERYTHING illegal, legal. Sure, make pot legal. All this will do is transition the drug trafficers into the next illegal, highly profitable activity. The problem doesn't go away, it just shifts. Hey, I know, let's go ahead and make human trafficing legal. How about forced prostitution rings (slavery) and kidnapping. I'd love to see how this country turns out if our answers to problems in our society is "Let's just make it legal".


increased supply + same demand = lower price = lower profit = cost < benefit

think about that for a few minutes.
 

CrackRabbit

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I thought this was the norm. When living in Oregon the anecdote was "Don't wander off the trails, there could be booby traps set by the pot growers."
 

sactoking

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This is nothing new. They've been busting Mexican pot growing operations in the national forests and national parks for years.

Here are a couple of local stories about how brazen the Mexicans are getting with their grow operations:
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"Local paper"? Modesto Bee? Oh man, I am so, so, so, so sorry for you.
 

DietDrThunder

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This makes no sense. If someone is addicted to marijuana they will keep smoking it if it is legalized. They won't suddenly switch to buying slaves or hashish just because those are still illegal.

If pot is legalized, potheads will grow their own or (being lazy stoners) buy it at the mini-mart with their munchies.

Legalize and tax it heavily. The drug lords lose a major revenue source, forest grow farms become pointless since they can't compete with the legal farms, tax revenue and and legal jobs are added. World peace.

I was talking about the drug trafficers switching to a different illegal, highly profitable activity, not the end users. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money (Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition #13). If pot is no longer illegal and they can't turn a profit, then you'll see a rise in kidnapping or other illegal activity which they can.
 

Ns1

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I was talking about the drug trafficers switching to a different illegal, highly profitable activity, not the end users. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money (Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition #13). If pot is no longer illegal and they can't turn a profit, then you'll see a rise in kidnapping or other illegal activity which they can.

logic would then say the government could use the savings from the war on drugs to you know, protect our border. or something.
 

DietDrThunder

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increased supply + same demand = lower price = lower profit = cost < benefit

think about that for a few minutes.

Sure, increasing the supply will lower the price, but it will also have a side effect of increasing demand. How many more teens and adults will try it, and then continue to use it once it is legal?
 

ericlp

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Maybe we can outsource the some elite task force to go in and monitor our millions and millions of acres of public land.

Well Obama just hired 5K troops to protect the boarders. I think if we evangelize MJ in the USA, we can take the sales tax from it and hire another 5K troops! :D
 

ericlp

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Sure, increasing the supply will lower the price, but it will also have a side effect of increasing demand. How many more teens and adults will try it, and then continue to use it once it is legal?


Uh, like they aren't already killing their brain cells by the billions from alcohol? Clearly your FAIL and have no clue what's going on.
 

Ns1

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Sure, increasing the supply will lower the price, but it will also have a side effect of increasing demand. How many more teens and adults will try it, and then continue to use it once it is legal?

even if it does, all that shit will be made in the U S OF A


not to mention, alcohol is readily available to those 21+ and many people choose not to partake. it will be the same for other drugs.

personal responsibility.
 

xj0hnx

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Sure, increasing the supply will lower the price, but it will also have a side effect of increasing demand. How many more teens and adults will try it, and then continue to use it once it is legal?

Give me a fucking break. I can a drive about five minutes from my current location and get just about any drug I want. Pot is easier for kids to get than alcohol in some places, and millions of Americans already smoke weed on a daily basis. Making it legal isn't going to create some explosion in demand, if people want it they can already get it.

How many teens and kids try it BECAUSE it is illegal?
 

DaveSimmons

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I was talking about the drug trafficers switching to a different illegal, highly profitable activity, not the end users. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money (Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition #13). If pot is no longer illegal and they can't turn a profit, then you'll see a rise in kidnapping or other illegal activity which they can.

This assumes there is both enough supply and enough demand to make the new activity profitable.

If gang A is already trafficking in slaves, gang B may not be able to switch from pot to slaves because:
- there are only so many people available to put the collar on.
- there are only so many buyers.
- gang A might not like the competition.

Similar problems exist with switching from pot to heroin or fake Rolexes.
- other gangs might have the heroin supply locked up, and may not like the competition
- only so many people want to shoot up