Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning

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MotionMan

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Please learn how to swim and, if you can, learn how to save lives. Do not end up like Joe Delaney. He died during one of the summers that I taught swimming at the local pool.

http://mariovittone.com/2010/05/154/

The new captain jumped from the deck, fully dressed, and sprinted through the water. A former lifeguard, he kept his eyes on his victim as he headed straight for the couple swimming between their anchored sportfisher and the beach. “I think he thinks you’re drowning,” the husband said to his wife. They had been splashing each other and she had screamed but now they were just standing, neck-deep on the sand bar. “We’re fine, what is he doing?” she asked, a little annoyed. “We’re fine!” the husband yelled, waving him off, but his captain kept swimming hard. ”Move!” he barked as he sprinted between the stunned owners. Directly behind them, not ten feet away, their nine-year-old daughter was drowning. Safely above the surface in the arms of the captain, she burst into tears, “Daddy!”

How did this captain know – from fifty feet away – what the father couldn’t recognize from just ten? Drowning is not the violent, splashing, call for help that most people expect. The captain was trained to recognize drowning by experts and years of experience. The father, on the other hand, had learned what drowning looks like by watching television. If you spend time on or near the water (hint: that’s all of us) then you should make sure that you and your crew knows what to look for whenever people enter the water. Until she cried a tearful, “Daddy,” she hadn’t made a sound. As a former Coast Guard rescue swimmer, I wasn’t surprised at all by this story. Drowning is almost always a deceptively quiet event. The waving, splashing, and yelling that dramatic conditioning (television) prepares us to look for, is rarely seen in real life.

The Instinctive Drowning Response – so named by Francesco A. Pia, Ph.D., is what people do to avoid actual or perceived suffocation in the water. And it does not look like most people expect. There is very little splashing, no waving, and no yelling or calls for help of any kind. To get an idea of just how quiet and undramatic from the surface drowning can be, consider this: It is the number two cause of accidental death in children, age 15 and under (just behind vehicle accidents) – of the approximately 750 children who will drown next year, about 375 of them will do so within 25 yards of a parent or other adult. In ten percent of those drownings, the adult will actually watch them do it, having no idea it is happening (source: CDC). Drowning does not look like drowning – Dr. Pia, in an article in the Coast Guard’s On Scene Magazine, described the instinctive drowning response like this:

Except in rare circumstances, drowning people are physiologically unable to call out for help. The respiratory system was designed for breathing. Speech is the secondary or overlaid function. Breathing must be fulfilled, before speech occurs.
Drowning people’s mouths alternately sink below and reappear above the surface of the water. The mouths of drowning people are not above the surface of the water long enough for them to exhale, inhale, and call out for help. When the drowning people’s mouths are above the surface, they exhale and inhale quickly as their mouths start to sink below the surface of the water.
Drowning people cannot wave for help. Nature instinctively forces them to extend their arms laterally and press down on the water’s surface. Pressing down on the surface of the water, permits drowning people to leverage their bodies so they can lift their mouths out of the water to breathe.
Throughout the Instinctive Drowning Response, drowning people cannot voluntarily control their arm movements. Physiologically, drowning people who are struggling on the surface of the water cannot stop drowning and perform voluntary movements such as waving for help, moving toward a rescuer, or reaching out for a piece of rescue equipment.
From beginning to end of the Instinctive Drowning Response people’s bodies remain upright in the water, with no evidence of a supporting kick. Unless rescued by a trained lifeguard, these drowning people can only struggle on the surface of the water from 20 to 60 seconds before submersion occurs.
(Source: On Scene Magazine: Fall 2006 (page 14))

This doesn’t mean that a person that is yelling for help and thrashing isn’t in real trouble – they are experiencing aquatic distress. Not always present before the instinctive drowning response, aquatic distress doesn’t last long – but unlike true drowning, these victims can still assist in their own rescue. They can grab lifelines, throw rings, etc.

Look for these other signs of drowning when persons are in the water:

Head low in the water, mouth at water level
Head tilted back with mouth open
Eyes glassy and empty, unable to focus
Eyes closed
Hair over forehead or eyes
Not using legs – Vertical
Hyperventilating or gasping
Trying to swim in a particular direction but not making headway
Trying to roll over on the back
Appear to be climbing an invisible ladder.
So if a crew member falls overboard and everything looks OK – don’t be too sure. Sometimes the most common indication that someone is drowning is that they don’t look like they’re drowning. They may just look like they are treading water and looking up at the deck. One way to be sure? Ask them, “Are you alright?” If they can answer at all – they probably are. If they return a blank stare, you may have less than 30 seconds to get to them. And parents – children playing in the water make noise. When they get quiet, you get to them and find out why.

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Red Storm

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This is very true, it's not always obvious when someone is drowning. I lost my best friend because of this (people near him didn't know he was drowning until it was too late).
 

MotionMan

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This is very true, it's not always obvious when someone is drowning. I lost my best friend because of this (people near him didn't know he was drowning until it was too late).

The last line of the article is so true - You start to worry when your kids get quiet, especially in a pool.

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waggy

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I wonder if the parents felt like assholes for yelling at him for swimming at him? and missing the kid about to die.
 

MotionMan

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I wonder if the parents felt like assholes for yelling at him for swimming at him? and missing the kid about to die.

Probably. I have seen similar things happen and the people do eventually come around and thank/apologize.

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ThePresence

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Thank you.
Bought my house 8 months ago with an inground pool.
Going to be opening it soon.
My kids will be watched like a hawk.
 

MotionMan

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Thank you.
Bought my house 8 months ago with an inground pool.
Going to be opening it soon.
My kids will be watched like a hawk.

When I am not swimming with them, I listen like a hawk. This article is so dead on (no pun intended) - You ears are a better judge of trouble than your eyes. When the noise stops, you need to take action.

Also, everyone should learn to swim, no matter your age, financial situation or typical proximity to water.

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Something else to consider both when drowning or saving a drowning person is to not thrash about. Someone in my hometown died trying to save someone who was drowning and they both ended up getting pulled under.
 

sixone

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Something else to consider both when drowning or saving a drowning person is to not thrash about. Someone in my hometown died trying to save someone who was drowning and they both ended up getting pulled under.

Yeah, I remember that from my swimming lessons. If they try to climb you, swim down until they let go, then get behind them and put an arm under the armpit, to drag them backwards.
 

HumblePie

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Used to be a life guard for a number of years. These are things that most people just don't know.

Also, just because someone knows how to swim, doesn't mean they can't drown. I worked at a water park at Six Flags for a few years. Parents, teenagers, and kids that were all capable of swimming are still in danger of drowning. All it takes is for someone that is swimming to be jostled when they weren't expecting it and gulp down water instead of air. In a busy pool this is something that can easily happen. Even in areas with "shallow" water, such as pools that are no deeper than 6 ft this is still a problem. Even if they people can actually stand up just fine that doesn't mean they aren't in danger of drowning. When people start to drown they forget about their legs most of the time. Their sole focus is on the surface of the water and trying to breathe. Which many people panic and literally forget what they need to do to survive. The younger the child, the more likely panic will set in.
 

HumblePie

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Yeah, I remember that from my swimming lessons. If they try to climb you, swim down until they let go, then get behind them and put an arm under the armpit, to drag them backwards.

Actually, it's best to use a floatation device of some sort to save someone. If a person that is drowning is struggling so much it makes it difficult to impossible to save them safely, it is actually better to let them pass out first. Then drag them to safety and provide emergency CPR and respiration. Number 1 rule of any first responder is to make sure you are safe first before trying to rescue anyone else. If you put yourself in danger then you risk two or more people dying instead of one.
 

JulesMaximus

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I was at a crowded pool party a few years ago when my son was still quite young and didn't know how to swim yet. He was splashing around in the shallow end and my wife was off talking to friends and having a drink. I was on watch and I saw my son step off the ledge he was on into deeper water and he went completely submerged. I immediately sprang up and grabbed him out of the water. It was exactly like this article stated. Funny thing is, I don't think anyone other than I noticed...
 

DrPizza

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Awesome post & reminder. We raised both of our boys to be good swimmers. Too good, imho - we'll be anchored in 40 feet of water & both of them will be out of the boat, treading water, enjoying a beer and playing catch with a frisbee.
 

Blackjack200

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Weird, I was a red cross certified lifeguard and never learned any of this stuff. We learned CRP, had to fetch stuff from the bottom of the pool, etc., but this seems like it should have been taught.
 

MotionMan

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I was at a crowded pool party a few years ago when my son was still quite young and didn't know how to swim yet. He was splashing around in the shallow end and my wife was off talking to friends and having a drink. I was on watch and I saw my son step off the ledge he was on into deeper water and he went completely submerged. I immediately sprang up and grabbed him out of the water. It was exactly like this article stated. Funny thing is, I don't think anyone other than I noticed...

When I was about 9, I was swimming in a very crowded pool at my sleep-away camp. One of the younger campers (5-6 years old) ended up too deep, was drowning and no one but me seemed to notice. I just grabbed him by the waistband and pulled him to the shallow end while I swam under water.

He got out of the pool and started throwing up from all the water he had swallowed. He had to go to the ER and spent the night there.

I have told many people that story, but not until almost 10 years later (which was over 20 years ago). To this day, no one who was at the camp that day learned who saved the kids life. I honestly do not remember his name and, in fact, may have never known it.

MotionMan
 

Oyeve

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I used to life-guard when I was younger. I became a life guard then because my best friend died trying to impress some girl by going out deep at the beach. I tried to save him and her but I could only manage to save her. This was around 30 years ago and everytime I go to the beach I always warn people who go real far out to go back. In my experience you can become real tired and be too pooped to make it back.
 

MotionMan

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I used to life-guard when I was younger. I became a life guard then because my best friend died trying to impress some girl by going out deep at the beach. I tried to save him and her but I could only manage to save her. This was around 30 years ago and everytime I go to the beach I always warn people who go real far out to go back. In my experience you can become real tired and be too pooped to make it back.

When I was in college, I did a similar stupid thing, also to impress a girl (we swam out to a buoy), but lucky for me, I was a good enough swimmer (and had been able to rest at the buoy) to make it back.

I am sorry for your loss.

MotionMan
 

blackdogdeek

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thanks motionman.

we joined a community pool and go a few times every summer. and even though there are lifeguards we try to keep a constant watch on our kids. now we know how to spot trouble signs that we might not ordinarily have noticed.
 

spidey07

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If much water gets on the vocal chords/lungs, they will clam shut to protect the lungs. This is what starts drowning, not the victim being underwater too long. By the time you see what's described in the article they are in very serious trouble/oxygen deprivation which is why there's no energy to swim. It's how every the best swimmers can drown.

Then there's "dry drowning", where there's water in the victim's lungs and they don't realize it or cough it out. They end up dying in their sleep hours later.
 
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