I don't think the point was about power, it was about spooling up turbos, i.e. a Ram 3500 with the CTD spools it's large turbo quickly because it has a lot of exhaust gasses due to it's large displacement. Compare that to a gasser with small displacement, it will spool that same turbo size up more slowly, as there is less exhaust gas.
We were talking about turbo size/compressor size, as my folks will turn their CTD up, and put a bigger turbo on there, but often a good compressor/wastegated turbo is as important, as you have to spin that big turbo up to make it do much, and that takes time (especially when spooling it 5 times through all the gears)
wow, that states that the exhast temps of gas engines are higher then diesel. I wouldn't have thought that. I know that I can put my foot on it and melt pistons in my truck (EGT's in exess of 1500 degrees F)
zerocool84
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Umm durr it's an economy car just built up. It's built for cheap speed NOT comfort. Also how is going fast in a straight line a real driving experience??? More fun to go fast in the turns.
alkemyst
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Let me guess 18 and you think you have it all figured out?
I have no idea what you were even trying to say above. I live in the South though...south florida. 4WD is pretty important for my needs of getting a large boat into the water on a ramp. That truck has a 408ci in it...I think around 6 Liters. Most trucks on the road have about a 5 Liter in them...those that are supercharged/turboed are usually 5.8L+.
Talking about what you have done without getting into an accident means nothing. For all we know you were doing 5mph with no load on a totally flat road. As far as you keeping tally on cars stuck in the snow while being able to clearly read the make and model as well as knowing they were in AWD when stuck is a FREAKING MIRACLE...you should get a job doing search and rescue.
IRAQ internet isn't the only thing that's slow.
"Let me guess 18 and you think you have it all figured out?
I have no idea what you were even trying to say above. I live in the South though...south florida. 4WD is pretty important for my needs of getting a large boat into the water on a ramp. That truck has a 408ci in it...I think around 6 Liters. Most trucks on the road have about a 5 Liter in them...those that are supercharged/turboed are usually 5.8L+.
Talking about what you have done without getting into an accident means nothing. For all we know you were doing 5mph with no load on a totally flat road. As far as you keeping tally on cars stuck in the snow while being able to clearly read the make and model as well as knowing they were in AWD when stuck is a FREAKING MIRACLE...you should get a job doing search and rescue.
IRAQ internet isn't the only thing that's slow. "
sorry, not 18, 23. and when you see a big 4X4 on the side of the truck and on the back window, yeah.... you live in florida, you live in dry conditions. not the case up north. im serious about this. people think 4wd/awd saves them from spinning out, seriously.
I have no idea what you were even trying to say above. I live in the South though...south florida. 4WD is pretty important for my needs of getting a large boat into the water on a ramp. That truck has a 408ci in it...I think around 6 Liters. Most trucks on the road have about a 5 Liter in them...those that are supercharged/turboed are usually 5.8L+.
Talking about what you have done without getting into an accident means nothing. For all we know you were doing 5mph with no load on a totally flat road. As far as you keeping tally on cars stuck in the snow while being able to clearly read the make and model as well as knowing they were in AWD when stuck is a FREAKING MIRACLE...you should get a job doing search and rescue.
IRAQ internet isn't the only thing that's slow. "
sorry, not 18, 23. and when you see a big 4X4 on the side of the truck and on the back window, yeah.... you live in florida, you live in dry conditions. not the case up north. im serious about this. people think 4wd/awd saves them from spinning out, seriously.
You can't seirously compare an Evo to a Z06... unless u take into the price difference as well (original msrp prices from 2006): $35, 189 compared to 64,890. Take that extra 30k and invest into your EVO, and i'm sure you'd have a much different picture.
overst33r
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- Oct 3, 2004
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You could... but it won't be new. You could get a new GTO and put a few grand in it and it will probably beat the Evolution in a straight line, but on the track it is the other way around.
Simply stated, the Evo/Sti are two of the best performing cars for the money when bought new. They will also allow the owner to push it closer to its limits than a Corvette or something else that is RWD.
No it will inspire more confidence...it doesn't mean you can get it closer to the limit. A RWD car is easier but scarier to take to the limit.
alkemyst
No Lifer
- Feb 13, 2001
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You are simply witnessing idiots thinking a 4x4 > anything. It has NOTHING to do with whether AWD/4WD is better than FWD/RWD. It's like taking a 2 year old with a AK47 vs an adult with a knife and saying 'well the knife must be alot better because the kid was so easy to kill'.
Being in S. Florida hardly = dry conditions, but I don't expect you to understand.
I disagree - I think a lot of drivers go closer to the limit faster in a AWD car like the Evo b/c its so easy to drive and allows you to simply throttle through most everything. Unfortunately what often results is these (novice) drivers unexpectadly and abruptly hit the limit and respond poorly by lifting off the throttle, resulting in terminal understeer and plowing off the road/track.
A well setup and balanced RWD car can be one of the easier cars to drive due to its communicative nature and progressive breakaway. Getting closer to the limit does take longer and more practice as it takes time to get used to the feeling of "looseness". Of course if you're a moron, nothing will save you.
And be careful not to attribute all the electronic gizmos in the Evo and Sti and many other cars to simply the AWD system. I think its the well setup stability systems that make the cars special - Active Yaw Control which determines the calibration of the diffs are probably just as important as the actual AWD hardware.
um...im 23...if you read my post before. i like the AE86 toyota sprinter Trueno not because of "drifting", but because its lightweight, and you can extract quite a bit of power out of the 4AGE. its also not that hard to swap the MR2 engine from similar years because they also used the 4AGE, they also had a supercharged version of that engine called the 4AGZE. yes it has a horrible rear suspension(look it up, its a solid axle unlike other sports cars of that age) but it can handle quite well. if you look at my sig, i have a 88 Mazda RX-7, a very nice car, not very environmentally friendly, but it can be made to go quite fast. i like how alot of the 80's cars are, i like older corvettes(stingrays), i like older mazdas, older toyotas, just alot of older cars in general.
I'm not a big fan of all these new electronic gizmo's due to the fact that they are bringing in a new age of numb feeling cars. you dont get a feel for the road because of all this power steering and softer more comfortable suspensions on most cars. and for cars that do have a more sporty suspension, they still have the electronic assistances and limiters. it seems to me, that they are mandating all these systems, because people are just arent paying attention to the road and how the car is behaving, and all they wanna do is talk in the g-damn phones to someone and not pay attention to traffic.
I wish they would completely outlaw driving while talking on a phone in every state, make the bastards pull over and talk, you a moving hazdard otherwise.(and i have YET to talk on a cell phone while driving my car, i do pull over and talk.)
"You are simply witnessing idiots thinking a 4x4 > anything. It has NOTHING to do with whether AWD/4WD is better than FWD/RWD. It's like taking a 2 year old with a AK47 vs an adult with a knife and saying 'well the knife must be alot better because the kid was so easy to kill'.
Being in S. Florida hardly = dry conditions, but I don't expect you to understand. "
ok, so in south florida, you have rain....wow(im taking a guess here again)....you dont get black ice, do you? where you cant see if its slippery or not, thats the thing, you get tons of snow packed down, and its like a sheet of ice. black ice is very very scary, i've seen lots of vehicles thrown off the highway because you couldnt see it at all and they were swerving in and out of traffic trying to get ahed and those are, *drumroll please*, all the SUV's and trucks that think they can handle it.
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