Dropped Qur'an triggers rioting in India

[Jaskalas]

Dropped Qur'an triggers rioting in India

NEW DELHI: Two police posts were set on fire by thousands of agitated residents and students around Jamia Milia Islamia University on Saturday evening. The angry mob first set Jamia police post on fire and later targetted Sahinbagh police post in Sarita Vihar. About 40 people, including policemen, were injured in the violence.

Around two dozen police officers were injured in which four were reported to be critical. The incident happened after local residents in the area resisted police?s efforts to remove a patri market. In course of the encroachment removal drive, the Koran was reportedly dropped by a policeman, leading to tension. A local leader reportedly slapped a police officer.

Police had to use tear gas to disperse the angry mob. Around 3,000 people had collected around 6.30 pm and took out the police records from the Jamia police post and set them on fire before setting fire to the the post too. The SHO of the area Rajesh Sharma and additional SHO Akhilesh Singh were severely injured. The injured police officers were rushed to AIIMS, Holy Family and Apollo. Several vehicles including police jeeps were also set ablaze by the mob.

Traffic in the area was disrupted for nearly four hours. CRPF personnel and additional police force from other districts were deployed. Just when the traffic situation became normal, the mob pelted stones at the Sahinbagh police post and set it on fire too.

The Delhi Police has declared high alert in other minority-dominated areas like Seelampur, Jafarpur etc. Said Sultan Ahmed, a local leader: "We were sorting out the issue with the police. They urged us to bring in the person who had put up the bookstall and to whom the Koran belonged. Suddenly the mob started pelting stones at the post. The gate was locked but the mob broke the gate down and many policemen were hurt in the process."

I often hear how we?re no better than this. How can you say that? A Qur'an is dropped and they full out riot burning out police. It reminds me of this lovely guy who is not a symbol of some seemingly minor sect of extremism. If the riots are any proof violent extremism is commonplace.

Danes who write cartoons can attest to this, along with all those murdered across the globe. We do the victims a great injustice by trying to marginalize the problem we face. By stabbing ourselves in the back on this issue by excusing it as we example how we?re no better. We lack the courage and conviction to demand civility and so this barbarism continues to flourish and spread.

 

[IronWing]

Ya think poverty and hopelessness might have played a role or do you think "nope, it's all religion".

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Ya think poverty and hopelessness might have played a role or do you think "nope, it's all religion".

All of the above, in summation it is a reflection of the values system of the people involved.

You can partition the basis for why this system of values exists, but nonetheless it exists and that cannot be denied.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Ya think poverty and hopelessness might have played a role or do you think "nope, it's all religion".

I don't care what caused it.. they have NO RIGHT to strike out in violence over something like this..

I think we should mail all those villagers some poop stained Qurans for this

How much longer before the CDC begins to research "religion" especially one that has people behaving like this?

 

[compnovice]

WTF, all this for dropping a Koran...

I am not a supporter of police shootouts, however if the mob was so violent the police should have done more than use tear gas.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Perhaps some of the rioters were trying to send a message:

"Don't be dissin' the Qur'an, man."

 

[DarkThinker]

Jaskalas and click, I don't see you complaining when Muslims and Christians are persecuted in India because they have ate / slaughtered a 'sacred cow'.

... Hindu mobs have attacked Muslim villages after claims of cow slaughter for the festivities of eid. In 2005, this caused the destruction of 40 homes and 3 lives. Police investigation revealed no cow had been slaughtered in the village

Yet I don't see Sikhs and Hindus being labeled as Terrorists and Murderers after all they are defending their beliefs that the cow is holy and shouldn't be slaughtered so that humans can benefit from it's meat and leather.
Funny thing is that in Sikh faith system the cow is not sacred, however it's something they have picked out of habit from the Hindus, but anyways, lets focus on the evil Muslims.

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ironwing
Ya think poverty and hopelessness might have played a role or do you think "nope, it's all religion".

I don't care what caused it.. they have NO RIGHT to strike out in violence over something like this..

<I think we should mail all those villagers some poop stained Qurans for this

How much longer before the CDC begins to research "religion" especially one that has people behaving like this?

No man, just send them a copy of your posts, that ought to be crappy enough, either that or good cow dung substitute.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Jaskalas and click, I don't see you complaining when Muslims and Christians are persecuted in India because they have ate / slaughtered a 'sacred cow'.

... Hindu mobs have attacked Muslim villages after claims of cow slaughter for the festivities of eid. In 2005, this caused the destruction of 40 homes and 3 lives. Police investigation revealed no cow had been slaughtered in the village

Yet I don't see Sikhs and Hindus being labeled as Terrorists and Murderers after all they are defending their beliefs that the cow is holy and shouldn't be slaughtered so that humans can benefit from it's meat and leather.
Funny thing is that in Sikh faith system the cow is not sacred, however it's something they have picked out of habit from the Hindus, but anyways, lets focus on the evil Muslims.

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ironwing
Ya think poverty and hopelessness might have played a role or do you think "nope, it's all religion".

I don't care what caused it.. they have NO RIGHT to strike out in violence over something like this..

<<I think we should mail all those villagers some poop stained Qurans for this

How much longer before the CDC begins to research "religion" especially one that has people behaving like this?

No man, just send them a copy of your posts, that ought to be crappy enough, either that or good cow dung substitute.

It is a piece of paper.. or a mass assembly line stack of paper with glue used to hold them all together.. nothing more.. I remember one pastor I really respected telling us to make sure and mark in our bibles and do whatever we want because if we treat it like some sort of idol.. well.. it will become just that.

Anyhow.. anyone who murders or violently attacks others because of their religious hypersensitivity does not even understand his/her religion

The Sikhs and Hindus you highlighted above nutjobs too

 

[dahunan]

BTW, if you think you should attack and hurt a person who desn't care about your religious book then you are a kook too and need to find a cure.

 

[DarkThinker]

dahunan, I don't how to put this to you. What I would find more offending than someone 'poop staining Korans' is someone wasting a bullet on you because of whatever stupid crap you spew that doesn't make a difference.
You are to be completely ignored by rational people at best, and that from now on will be my policy with you on Anandtech, and the policy of any self respecting Muslim on this forum after reviewing your demeaning and hypocritical posts like the one in this thread.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
dahunan, I don't how to put this to you. What I would find more offending than someone 'poop staining Korans' is someone wasting a bullet on you because of whatever stupid crap you spew that doesn't make a difference.
You are to be completely ignored by rational people at best, and that from now on will be my policy with you on Anandtech, and the policy of any self respecting Muslim on this forum after reviewing your demeaning and hypocritical posts like the one in this thread.

Paper

 

[Moonbeam]

The goal and deep emotional need of every bigot is to insure that everybody else is the same kind of bigot too. You are never safe with people who are sane. They won't protect you from your fears.

 

[teclis1023]

Middle-Eastern Muslims are notoriously hot headed and often follow "mob-mentality" psychology. That doesn't mean that all Muslims are this way. It certainly makes it difficult to progress global relationships, though.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
dahunan, I don't how to put this to you. What I would find more offending than someone 'poop staining Korans' is someone wasting a bullet on you because of whatever stupid crap you spew that doesn't make a difference.
You are to be completely ignored by rational people at best, and that from now on will be my policy with you on Anandtech, and the policy of any self respecting Muslim on this forum after reviewing your demeaning and hypocritical posts like the one in this thread.

I just realized something.. you ARE wishing violence over messing up a stack of papers? Too bad..

BTW, I said only those villagers who want to start riots over a dropped Koran deserve to have the poopy ones sent to them..

They are savages and lack any critical reasoning skills ... they are truly lost souls if they think Allah or Muhammed would tell them to hurt others because they hurt "A" Koran

Do you know that one of the greatest libraries in all of history was destroyed by Muslims .. They said if it isn't a Koran.. burn it.. nice way to keep every single human brainwashed and shackled to their religious leaders... I feel for you

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: teclis1023
Middle-Eastern Muslims are notoriously hot headed and often follow "mob-mentality" psychology. That doesn't mean that all Muslims are this way. It certainly makes it difficult to progress global relationships, though.

Errm, first this is about Muslims in India, which last time I checked thankfully wasn't part of the Middle-East, but I am confident you knew that. Right?

Second thing, I would like to see you go make a living in the middle east for just one year, not a lifetime (preferably in an area where tension is almost always existent), somewhere like, eh I don't know Lebanon for instance? And let me see you comeback chillin.

From what I have learned when I used to live in the Middle East, I'll tell you one thing, people are nice and would love to live that quiet and peaceful lives like those of their European and American counterparts, however you can't live calm and happy while everyone from the US all the way to fckn China is meddling with your own God damn business and is using your country as a football field, taking shots left and rightness just because your country is small and can be taken advantage off.
Sadly, at the end of the day people are classified under two categories, those who are wolves, and those who are eaten by wolves.

 

[StageLeft]

Eh, if they did this for one being dropped, I Hope nobody posts on youtube videos of one being used as target practice in somebody's yard.

 

[jandrews]

Frankly, we were like this in the christian faith the problem is we got over acting like this 300-500 years ago while the Muslim faith just keeps on going. The biggest problem with this is that 300-500 years ago the problems were felt in thei community that had them, nowadays there are global reprocussions for radicalism and this equals out to problems for everyone involved.

 

[magomago]

I think its important to note that the actual events seem to be vague.

So at a religious university, a police man "drops" the Quran and riots ensued. Was this accidental? On Purpose? A mis understanding that exploded and the story kept changing to the point that it caused people to riot? We reallly don't know - but we do know that once you get a mob, all reason and rationality is out the door.

That said its a crazy response - but one in a country where crazy response seem to happen by many religious groups - as Darkthinker pointed out

dahunan your posts on this are ridiculous. With comments like mailing them defecated Qurans, you are LOOKING for those type of responses. You are trying to evict anger out of them by doing that. You can say it is a peice of paper and glue - and that is fine if that is what it is in your mind~ but to Muslims the words on that "paper and glue" is extremely important. Wanting to mail any religious group their texts with crap over it ranks as among the top of the most ridiculous, disrespectful, and childish actions that a person can do, freedom of speech or not.

Btw - the greatest libraries in the world have been destroyed by everyone and every group that has existed. You don't even need people in Western Europe, SouthWest Asia or East Asia to do it. Even the Aztecs burned an untold amount of old Mayan records. Tell me when the Quran advocates this - the book whose first message came down immediately proclaimed the value of knowledge. Then I'll be concerned. Because until that point - Christians also destroyed many libraries of texts - but I'm not stupid enough to think that actually reflects Christianity.

 

[dahunan]

I think they are insane for reacting like this over damage to one book of which there ARE HOW MANY IN PUBLICATION>????
I just checked Amazon and I can buy 999 of these
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

But if one drops on the ground or if something happens to ONE of them then these people are ALLOWED to go batshit crazy and cause riots and create violence.. no wonder the term Islamophobia exists

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I think they are insane for reacting like this over damage to one book of which there ARE HOW MANY IN PUBLICATION>????
I just checked Amazon and I can buy 999 of these
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

But if one drops on the ground or if something happens to ONE of them then these people are ALLOWED to go batshit crazy and cause riots and create violence.. no wonder the term Islamophobia exists

Allowed? Read the frickin' story. Tear gassing generally isn't considered a sign that the police condone a group's actions.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: dahunan
I think they are insane for reacting like this over damage to one book of which there ARE HOW MANY IN PUBLICATION>????
I just checked Amazon and I can buy 999 of these
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

But if one drops on the ground or if something happens to ONE of them then these people are ALLOWED to go batshit crazy and cause riots and create violence.. no wonder the term Islamophobia exists

Allowed? Read the frickin' story. Tear gassing generally isn't considered a sign that the police condone a group's actions.

Sure seemed to be rationalized by a couple people in this thread (as though there is any way to rationalize it)

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: teclis1023
Middle-Eastern Muslims are notoriously hot headed and often follow "mob-mentality" psychology. That doesn't mean that all Muslims are this way. It certainly makes it difficult to progress global relationships, though.

Errm, first this is about Muslims in India, which last time I checked thankfully wasn't part of the Middle-East, but I am confident you knew that. Right?

Second thing, I would like to see you go make a living in the middle east for just one year, not a lifetime (preferably in an area where tension is almost always existent), somewhere like, eh I don't know Lebanon for instance? And let me see you comeback chillin.

From what I have learned when I used to live in the Middle East, I'll tell you one thing, people are nice and would love to live that quiet and peaceful lives like those of their European and American counterparts, however you can't live calm and happy while everyone from the US all the way to fckn China is meddling with your own God damn business and is using your country as a football field, taking shots left and rightness just because your country is small and can be taken advantage off.
Sadly, at the end of the day people are classified under two categories, those who are wolves, and those who are eaten by wolves.

I'm perfectly aware of where New Delhi is. I'm confident that YOU know that there are varying definitions of what constitutes for the Middle East, Right? Here's the first bit of text from YOUR OWN link.:

"The Middle East is a historical and political region of Africa-Eurasia with no clear boundaries. The term "Middle East" was popularized around 1900 in Britain, and has been criticized for its loose definition. The Middle East traditionally includes countries or regions in Southwest Asia and parts of North Africa. The corresponding adjective to Middle East is Middle-Eastern and the derived noun is Middle-Easterner."

Pakistan is, according to your link, officially Middle Eastern. It is right next to India, and at one time had provinces on both sides.

And gosh, do you count my time living in Israel as the Middle East? If so, then I guess I came back "chillin". Furthermore, I've ALSO lived in Europe and America.

If you take a look what I originally posted, you'll notice that I actually came in DEFENSE of Islam.

I guess it's hard for the world NOT to get in Mid-Eastern business when they decide to bomb the shit out of civilian targets all the way from America to Europe to Israel, as well as burning down Embassies, kidnapping tourists and constantly making threats to the entire world.

EDIT: Instead of us being snippy at each other, how about we try to be civil. I'm not here to fight with you, I'm here to discuss.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Jaskalas and click, I don't see you complaining when Muslims and Christians are persecuted in India because they have ate / slaughtered a 'sacred cow'.

How often do you bring this up? Yes, it is a problem for people to die over a cow. As a general rule I condemn killing others for non-violent crimes. Although, they?d argue you were violent to the cow?

Does it excuse the current subject of the riot, do two wrongs make a right? I do not think so. There is room to condemn and oppose both.

I believe, in regard to this, there are global violent correlations to isolated incidents like these. Perhaps it is wise to weigh and measure them and to focus on them as such.

 

[brownzilla786]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
dahunan, I don't how to put this to you. What I would find more offending than someone 'poop staining Korans' is someone wasting a bullet on you because of whatever stupid crap you spew that doesn't make a difference.
You are to be completely ignored by rational people at best, and that from now on will be my policy with you on Anandtech, and the policy of any self respecting Muslim on this forum after reviewing your demeaning and hypocritical posts like the one in this thread.

I just realized something.. you ARE wishing violence over messing up a stack of papers? Too bad..

BTW, I said only those villagers who want to start riots over a dropped Koran deserve to have the poopy ones sent to them..

They are savages and lack any critical reasoning skills ... they are truly lost souls if they think Allah or Muhammed would tell them to hurt others because they hurt "A" Koran

Do you know that one of the greatest libraries in all of history was destroyed by Muslims .. They said if it isn't a Koran.. burn it.. nice way to keep every single human brainwashed and shackled to their religious leaders... I feel for you

Do you know that the greatest minds in all history were silenced by the church? Galileo ring a bell? Your point just plain stupid. All nations and religions can be pointed at for doing such things. Singling muslims out just shows your complete bias approach to the topic.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: teclis1023
Middle-Eastern Muslims are notoriously hot headed and often follow "mob-mentality" psychology. That doesn't mean that all Muslims are this way. It certainly makes it difficult to progress global relationships, though.

Errm, first this is about Muslims in India, which last time I checked thankfully wasn't part of the Middle-East, but I am confident you knew that. Right?

Yes, although one does find violent Islamic Supremacism is global and thus a global issue.

I tend to argue that we need to recognize the ideology for what it is and beware of ?Greeks bearing gifts?. In clearer terms: we need to be resolute in standing up for civility and while incidents like these may be isolated by themselves ? there is a global need for us to oppose this and call it on what it is. Lest we lower our guard and invite such barbarism home to join our society.

So I find the point of it all is ?look at this, is the western world inviting such violence?? Europe, I believe, has the larger challenge to face in this regard. Then if we are inviting it, how do we unite to oppose it within reasonable means? How do we stem the tide and/or reverse such trends towards violence?