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Drivers license as tool of social control

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Originally posted by: Crazymofo
when they take your license its completely open ended and you have to FIGHT to get it back.
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It's been a while since I read my NJ Driver's Manual, but I believe the penalty for underage drinking (not driving) is 6 months license suspension if you currently have a license, or 6 months ineligibility if you don't have your license (starting from the day you would be eligible for your license if you are not yet). It might have been 1 year, not sure. It definitely was not open ended. Where are you getting that information from?
 
Most of Arizona is either Indian Reservation or Federal land, all of which is managed by Federal agencies, hence the spending.
 
My point is a license should only be suspended or revoked for driving offenses, not for failing to pay child support, dropping out of school or drinking below the government's arbritrary limit.
 
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Driving is a privelege. You are free to walk.
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That is the fiction that started us moving in this direction. I pay for the roads, therefore I have a right to drive on them.
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You pay for a lot more than that, but you don't simply have the right to all of it.
 
I'm actually for it, the social control thing...

You'd rather you tax dollars pay for a deadbeat dad's child?

The thing is it's difficult to measure it's success, for instance, I paid child support for years & one of the reasons I did was because my professional licensure & driver's license could be suspended for non-payment, plus I don't like the idea of sitting in a jail cell.
 
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Driving is a privelege. You are free to walk.
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That is the fiction that started us moving in this direction. I pay for the roads, therefore I have a right to drive on them.
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Wrong. You have the right to walk on them. Driving is a privilege. To think otherwise is idiotic and childish.
 
Driving is a priviledge but was a priviledge originally granted when you can show that you have the capability to drive and can respect the laws of the road. Actually, that is not even true, it was a priviledge granted when you paid for your license, that was all that was necessary in the earliest days. I agree with the OP, the state governments have taken this too far in the interests of forging a nannystate.
 
Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
But they only have the right to take away a license if the person is a dangerous driver. Not because they drop out of school or decide not to obey some other law.

Oh and Milky, if you don't have anything constructive to add, don't waste your time and mine by replying with a picture of an empty room. Thank you.
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look you motherfarking n00b.... How many posts do you have? 200??? before you go taking your mouth off your moms tit to TELL someone what to do you need to 1)get some more posts 2)wait until your testicles drop.

until then, keep your fscking mouth shut.
 
Originally posted by: armatron
Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
But they only have the right to take away a license if the person is a dangerous driver. Not because they drop out of school or decide not to obey some other law.

Oh and Milky, if you don't have anything constructive to add, don't waste your time and mine by replying with a picture of an empty room. Thank you.
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look you motherfarking n00b.... How many posts do you have? 200??? before you go taking your mouth off your moms tit to TELL someone what to do you need to 1)get some more posts 2)wait until your testicles drop.

until then, keep your fscking mouth shut.
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No you keep your mouth shut! I'm a senior member and I'm not going to take any crap from the likes of you. I have the right to express my opinion and if you don't like it, don't read my threads!
 
Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
My point is a license should only be suspended or revoked for driving offenses, not for failing to pay child support, dropping out of school or drinking below the government's arbritrary limit.
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the state has plenary power, they can do whatever the fack they want.
 
Originally posted by: F117NightHawk

No you keep your mouth shut! I'm a senior member and I'm not going to take any crap from the likes of you. I have the right to express my opinion and if you don't like it, don't read my threads!
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Ouch... need some first aid armatron?



 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
My point is a license should only be suspended or revoked for driving offenses, not for failing to pay child support, dropping out of school or drinking below the government's arbritrary limit.
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the state has plenary power, they can do whatever the fack they want.
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He knows that, he's just arguing the state's right to have that power, and I can see where he's coming from. However, the punishment is too effective to not be used. If you have your license revoked and you really feel you didn't deserve it, I think you can try to fight it in court if you make a good case that not having your license disables you from making income, though it has to be a VERY good case, which circumstances might not allow.

The simple solution is, don't fuc? up, and you'll get to stay on the roads.
 
I agree with the OP. Your DL should not be taken away from you for doing something that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with driving. The govt still has far too much power over the ppl. imo. What kind of world do we live in when you cant travel accross your own nation's land in a veichle you purchased yourself on roads you payed for, just for dropping out of school?
 
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Driving is a privelege. You are free to walk.
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That is the fiction that started us moving in this direction. I pay for the roads, therefore I have a right to drive on them.
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Gas taxes pay for the roads, if you aren't driving you aren't paying. Driving is a priviledge, if it was a right we couldn't stop 8 year olds from doing it or make DUI illegal.
 
Originally posted by: dguy6789
I agree with the OP. Your DL should not be taken away from you for doing something that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with driving. The govt still has far too much power over the ppl. imo. What kind of world do we live in when you cant travel accross your own nation's land in a veichle you purchased yourself on roads you payed for, just for dropping out of school?
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So according to you, if someone is a model citizen and pays his taxes all the time and has paid his car off, it's ok for him to drive in excess of 100mph in "his own nation's land"? Again, driving is a privilege, not a right.

BTW I have no clue where you got dropping out of school should result in a person losing his license.
 
Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
We all know about deadbeat dads being denied their drivers license until they pay up and about teenagers who skip school or drink underage losing their licenses. These may seem like good ideas at first glance, but I disagree. I think the use of the license as a form of social control has gone way too far and has given the state governments power over our private lives that they shouldn't have.

Originally a license could only be denied to a person for medical reasons or if the person drove badly and was a danger. Nowadays, do anything the government doesn't like, and they can take your wheels. If licenses were used for what they were originally intended, to show that a person is able to drive safely, that'd be great. But they've been turned into the defacto ID card and give the government unprecedented control over our lives.
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nah, driving's a privilege, as others have stated...

Anything with a picture and official stamp from an agency can be cosidered photo ID, license just happens to be more convenient, as the vast majority of people have them. Here in Ontario, we have a Photo Health Card for OHIP (Public health insurance), which can be used as a substitute for a license in the event photo ID is required for something like a bar or establishment.

I'm personally all for deadbeat dads/moms getting licenses revoked for non-payment, provided of course that it is not a clerical processing error. it's top bad they're not a little tougher on driving requirements these days, might help to also make the roads a bit safer...
 
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: her209
I don't see how taking away someone's drivers license is an effective deterrent. They'll just drive illegally, or, use public transportation.
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Do you think incarceration is an effective deterrent? For many low-income youth, going to jail is simply a rite of passage. I've seen them; they smile in their mug shots, because they know they'll be 'tougher' for having gone to jail.

We're not talking about deterrents, we're talking about what the states have a right to do. And they DEFINITELY have a right to take away drivers' licenses.
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WERD!
 
I totally agree! It is getting to a point now that the gov't is finding any absurd loop hole to restrict our rights...
If we do not pay child support, at least think of a more creative solution. Driving did not get them into this situation....their "johnson" did.....see where I am going with this?:Q
My DL was issued to me because I passed all of the state tests that I was required to. In 13 years, I have yet to have an ticket, etc. Therefore, there is no reason that I should not be able to drive. If I am not a danger to others on the road, what is the problem?
 
No problem as far as I can see, Blueskye.
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