Drivers license as tool of social control

[F117NightHawk]

We all know about deadbeat dads being denied their drivers license until they pay up and about teenagers who skip school or drink underage losing their licenses. These may seem like good ideas at first glance, but I disagree. I think the use of the license as a form of social control has gone way too far and has given the state governments power over our private lives that they shouldn't have.

Originally a license could only be denied to a person for medical reasons or if the person drove badly and was a danger. Nowadays, do anything the government doesn't like, and they can take your wheels. If licenses were used for what they were originally intended, to show that a person is able to drive safely, that'd be great. But they've been turned into the defacto ID card and give the government unprecedented control over our lives.

 

[Mik3y]

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[mobobuff]

Driving is a privilege. You are free to walk.

 

How is denying someone a license an invasion into their private lives? Driving is a public privilege regulated by the states. Public funds build roads, so shouldn't the states have SOME control over the idiots and deadbeats that use them?

 

[her209]

I don't see how taking away someone's drivers license is an effective deterrent. They'll just drive illegally, or, use public transportation.

 

[Zanix]

it's the same with passports, and I think the electric companys have too much control over us because they can cut off our power!

 

[slick230]

I know in NJ the DMV (or MVC as they call themselves now, whatever they STILL suck no matter their name) can take your drivers license away for a long string of petty BS that has absolutely NOTHING to do with your driving record. One of these oh so horrible and dangerous to society violations is , GASP, failing to license a cat. Oh, the horror, the utter despicableness of one who fails to register their pussy. Let's take their license away so they can't work anymore.

Fvck New Jersy, right in the ear.

 

[daveshel]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Driving is a privelege. You are free to walk.

That is the fiction that started us moving in this direction. I pay for the roads, therefore I have a right to drive on them.

 

Originally posted by: her209
I don't see how taking away someone's drivers license is an effective deterrent. They'll just drive illegally, or, use public transportation.

Do you think incarceration is an effective deterrent? For many low-income youth, going to jail is simply a rite of passage. I've seen them; they smile in their mug shots, because they know they'll be 'tougher' for having gone to jail.

We're not talking about deterrents, we're talking about what the states have a right to do. And they DEFINITELY have a right to take away drivers' licenses.

 

[F117NightHawk]

But they only have the right to take away a license if the person is a dangerous driver. Not because they drop out of school or decide not to obey some other law.

Oh and Milky, if you don't have anything constructive to add, don't waste your time and mine by replying with a picture of an empty room. Thank you.

 

[PoPPeR]

no

 

[Kalvin00]

So, what, you want to keep letting underage drinkers drive until they drive into and kill you? :roll:

 

[Crazymofo]

Originally posted by: Kalvin00
So, what, you want to keep letting underage drinkers drive until they drive into and kill you? :roll:

Did you even read the thread? Please get on-topic.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: Kalvin00
So, what, you want to keep letting underage drinkers drive until they drive into and kill you? :roll:

Did you even read the thread? Please get on-topic.

Did you?

Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
and about teenagers who skip school or drink underage losing their licenses.

To the OP - I'd rather see these people lose their driver's licenses than be sitting in a job where we have to pay for their room and board. We need those prison beds for all the dangerous pot smokers.

 

[Crazymofo]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: her209
I don't see how taking away someone's drivers license is an effective deterrent. They'll just drive illegally, or, use public transportation.

Do you think incarceration is an effective deterrent? For many low-income youth, going to jail is simply a rite of passage. I've seen them; they smile in their mug shots, because they know they'll be 'tougher' for having gone to jail.

We're not talking about deterrents, we're talking about what the states have a right to do. And they DEFINITELY have a right to take away drivers' licenses.

What gives them the right to take away your license for reasons that have nothing to do with my ability to drive?

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: her209
I don't see how taking away someone's drivers license is an effective deterrent. They'll just drive illegally, or, use public transportation.

Do you think incarceration is an effective deterrent? For many low-income youth, going to jail is simply a rite of passage. I've seen them; they smile in their mug shots, because they know they'll be 'tougher' for having gone to jail.

We're not talking about deterrents, we're talking about what the states have a right to do. And they DEFINITELY have a right to take away drivers' licenses.

What gives them the right to take away your license for reasons that have nothing to do with my ability to drive?

Same reason they have the right to place you in jail for crimes.

Go back to P&N pls. 😀

 

[Crazymofo]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: Kalvin00
So, what, you want to keep letting underage drinkers drive until they drive into and kill you? :roll:

Did you even read the thread? Please get on-topic.

Did you?

Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
and about teenagers who skip school or drink underage losing their licenses.

Gee didn't see where it said they were driving? I drank and smoked when I was underage but I never got behind the wheel of a car no matter how messed up I was...

Just because they are drinking gives the state the right to ASSUME they would also be dumb enough to get behind the wheel of a car?

Some of these laws are letting the state assume things and punish people when there hasn't been a crime committed.

 

[Schadenfroh]

that is why they should be replaced by national ID cards

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: Kalvin00
So, what, you want to keep letting underage drinkers drive until they drive into and kill you? :roll:

Did you even read the thread? Please get on-topic.

Did you?

Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
and about teenagers who skip school or drink underage losing their licenses.

Gee didn't see where it said they were driving? I drank and smoked when I was underage but I never got behind the wheel of a car no matter how messed up I was...

You're a minority in that statistic.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: Kalvin00
So, what, you want to keep letting underage drinkers drive until they drive into and kill you? :roll:

Did you even read the thread? Please get on-topic.

Did you?

Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
and about teenagers who skip school or drink underage losing their licenses.

Gee didn't see where it said they were driving? I drank and smoked when I was underage but I never got behind the wheel of a car no matter how messed up I was...

Just because they are drinking gives the state the right to ASSUME they would also be dumb enough to get behind the wheel of a car?

Some of these laws are letting the state assume things and punish people when there hasn't been a crime committed.

If you want to get anal about it, Kalvin00 didn't say they were driving while drunk either. 😛 I'm sure he didn't mean to choose his words that carefully though.

They're not difficult laws to follow, and the penalty is not disproportionate to the crime.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: Kalvin00
So, what, you want to keep letting underage drinkers drive until they drive into and kill you? :roll:

Did you even read the thread? Please get on-topic.

Did you?

Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
and about teenagers who skip school or drink underage losing their licenses.

Gee didn't see where it said they were driving? I drank and smoked when I was underage but I never got behind the wheel of a car no matter how messed up I was...

Just because they are drinking gives the state the right to ASSUME they would also be dumb enough to get behind the wheel of a car?

Some of these laws are letting the state assume things and punish people when there hasn't been a crime committed.

Yes.

 

[Falloutboy]

Originally posted by: Kalvin00
So, what, you want to keep letting underage drinkers drive until they drive into and kill you? :roll:

no alot of states will take away your licence if they catch someon drinking underage at all driving or not which I think is wrong....I mean half of higschool age kids drink, hell I did

 

[Crazymofo]

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: her209
I don't see how taking away someone's drivers license is an effective deterrent. They'll just drive illegally, or, use public transportation.

Do you think incarceration is an effective deterrent? For many low-income youth, going to jail is simply a rite of passage. I've seen them; they smile in their mug shots, because they know they'll be 'tougher' for having gone to jail.

We're not talking about deterrents, we're talking about what the states have a right to do. And they DEFINITELY have a right to take away drivers' licenses.

What gives them the right to take away your license for reasons that have nothing to do with my ability to drive?

Same reason they have the right to place you in jail for crimes.

Go back to P&N pls. 😀

You can tell me where to go when you're standing over my cold dead body, boy. I don't visit P&N, it's mostly filled with trolls like you that think they know all but really don't know jack squat.

They only have a right to put me in jail for a crime I have been proven guilty of. Which takes a lot more to do then it takes for the state to revoke your license. Not to mention when your convicted of a crime you are given an amount of time to serve when they take your license its completely open ended and you have to FIGHT to get it back.

 

[Crazymofo]

Originally posted by: PhasmatisNox

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Crazymofo

Originally posted by: Kalvin00
So, what, you want to keep letting underage drinkers drive until they drive into and kill you? :roll:

Did you even read the thread? Please get on-topic.

Did you?

Originally posted by: F117NightHawk
and about teenagers who skip school or drink underage losing their licenses.

Gee didn't see where it said they were driving? I drank and smoked when I was underage but I never got behind the wheel of a car no matter how messed up I was...

Just because they are drinking gives the state the right to ASSUME they would also be dumb enough to get behind the wheel of a car?

Some of these laws are letting the state assume things and punish people when there hasn't been a crime committed.

Yes.

In all you're infinite wisdom please oh please would you care to fvcken explain your response to my question. Though, bolding a bit of text and answering a rather complex question with a simple yes already made any possible explanation you might have pretty worthless. If I were you I probably wouldn?t even bother.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: daveshel

Originally posted by: mobobuff
Driving is a privelege. You are free to walk.

That is the fiction that started us moving in this direction. I pay for the roads, therefore I have a right to drive on them.

There are plenty of things like that

People who send their kids to private schools still pay taxes that fund public schools, right?

Fact is, it's life. In the end, it should work out to being a nice balance of things you used and didn't use