Driver ticketed in carpool lane cites fetus as passenger

Brutuskend

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Driver ticketed in carpool lane cites fetus as passenger

Sarah Muench and Geri Koeppel
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 14, 2005 01:55 PM

A pregnant Ahwatukee Foothills woman ticketed for driving in a carpool lane will take her case to court in January, when she'll argue that her unborn child counts as a passenger.

Candace Dickinson, 23, hopes to overturn her penalty and prove her point that even though her child was still in the womb while she was driving on Interstate 10 on Nov. 8 in Ahwatukee Foothills, it still counted as a second person.

Frank Valenzuela, spokesman for the Arizona Department of Public Safety, said a vehicle can't occupy the high-occupancy vehicle lane unless two or more persons are in it. The statute doesn't define what a "person" is.


"However, I think we could all agree that for traffic enforcement, a person is another individual, not an unborn child," he added. "I'm sure she's not claming the child as a dependent on her taxes."

Valenzuela said it's not unheard of for women to use this argument to try to use the carpool lane, but it's very rare.

"The dummy in the car is more common than this," he said.

Dickinson could not be reached for comment.

The officer who cited her, Sgt. Dave Norton of the Phoenix Police Department, will also appear in court to argue against her.

Dickinson's court date is scheduled for 1:15 p.m. Jan. 10 in Phoenix Municipal Court downtown. She faces $390 in fines.
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BTW. The judge disagreed and the ticket stuck! ;)
 

natto fire

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I bet if she wanted to abort the fetus, she would be singing a different tune.

Note: Not trying to hijack this thread into a P&N flamefest on Pro-C, versus Pro-L, I have P&N blocked for a reason.
 

Linflas

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Why not? There are all sorts of loopholes used in my area to access the US version of "Kremlin lanes".
 

rudder

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the purpose of an hov lane is to reduce the number of cars. the only way to do that is to be hauling around a licensed driver. i know in nashville you will get a ticket if you are in the hov lane with a child.
 

Zim Hosein

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"I'm sure she's not claming the child as a dependent on her taxes."

Good point, let her off for the traffic ticket and then charge her w/ tax evasion! :D
 

Kadarin

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I remember somebody trying this back in the early '90s or so.. And I don't think that person got very far either.
 

giantpinkbunnyhead

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If the fetus is going to count as a passenger, then she should be ticketed for having a passenger not wearing a seat belt, or a young child/infant not in an approved car seat...
 

Kelemvor

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I thought the "passenger" had to be a legal driver in order to qualify. Otherwise you aren't carpooling, you're just giving someone a ride.
 

dabuddha

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Originally posted by: DaWhim
somehow, I agree with her. Abortion is just wrong.

*flamesuit on*

Nice except this thread nor the issue has anything whatsoever to do with abortion :p
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
I thought the "passenger" had to be a legal driver in order to qualify. Otherwise you aren't carpooling, you're just giving someone a ride.

Kinda what I was thinking, too. I don't know what the carpool lane rules are, but the whole purpose is to cut down on traffic and polution. If the other people/person in your car can't drive anyway, then you're not making the contribution in the first place.

I hope she's also charged with "Being a Dumb Broad", "Breeding With No Reasonable Expectation of Evolutionary Advancement", and "Wasting the Fscking Judge's Time".
 

oboeguy

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
"However, I think we could all agree that for traffic enforcement, a person is another individual, not an unborn child," he added. "I'm sure she's not claming the child as a dependent on her taxes."

Pwned.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: DaWhim
somehow, I agree with her. Abortion is just wrong.

*flamesuit on*

yeah. abortion is wrong..but this is NOT about abortion. this about a dumb women that is trying to break the law and useing her unborn baby as the reason.

 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
I hope she's also charged with "Being a Dumb Broad", "Breeding With No Reasonable Expectation of Evolutionary Advancement", and "Wasting the Fscking Judge's Time".

:thumbsup:
 

SagaLore

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Let's see... I'm carrying around a few million half-persons - does that count?