DREAM Act

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Circlenaut

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Woot! Hopefully this time it'll get passed. These poor children and graduates are really stuck in a bind. About time their suffering is eased. I know personally about 3 people that would benefit tremendously from this.

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WASHINGTON, DC ? Congressmen Howard Berman (D-CA) and Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL), announced the reintroduction of the DREAM Act in the U.S. House of Representatives. This legislation will restore the States´ rights to determine residency requirements for higher education benefits ? giving states the option to provide in-state tuition. The American DREAM Act seeks to facilitate access to postsecondary educational opportunities for immigrant students in the United States who currently face barriers in pursuing a college education. It also provides a path to U.S. legal residency for students, and military personnel. "Our students and brave soldiers should not be punished for a decision which was made by their parents, in which they often played no role. The Supreme Court has prohibited states from barring undocumented students from attending primary and secondary schools. Unfortunately, once these students graduate from high school, their educational aspirations are often halted," said Diaz-Balart. Each year thousands of undocumented children, raised and educated in this country, are unable to pursue a higher education. Lack of access to federal financial assistance programs, and other immigration status created obstacles, essentially bar many of these aspiring youth from attending college. As these young people lose educational opportunity, our country loses their potential contributions as active and educated professionals.

Summarizes my view:

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We should stop visualizing the children of illegal immigrants as human beings. It only confuses us. Particularly when we are talking about children who were not born in this country but who were carried across the border as infants or toddlers and who have grown up as what some have called "non-citizen Americans." If we look at such children as human beings we tend to get all emotional and divide the kids into one of two groups: victims or criminals. I found this out last week after writing a blog for azcentral.com about the DREAM Act, which was introduced last week in Congress. Under this proposal, undocumented immigrant children could obtain citizenship if they came to the U.S. before they turned 16, are younger than 30, have lived in the U.S. for at least five years, have graduated from high school or passed an equivalency exam, have "good moral character" and either attend college or enlist in the military for two years. Among the 100-plus readers to write in response to the blog were many like Margaret9753, who wrote, "Now is no time to start rewarding their parents' criminality." And Maughaum, who added, "Don't want them. Send them back where they come from. Because they are party to a crime they are criminals that need to be prosecuted." Others, like jaeg0618, said things like, "For crying out loud, these 'criminals' are so bad that they taught their kids that going to school is a good thing, and we cringe at that? Are you kidding me? We have to overcome our fear." The DREAM Act, since it was first proposed a few years back, has drawn support from both Democrats and Republicans. But not enough of them. One of the sponsors is the conservative Republican senator from Indiana, Richard Lugar. He said last week, "Undocumented young people usually arrive with their families and have no understanding of their immigration status. They should be encouraged to complete an education and move toward permanent residency." Unfortunately, that kind of argument only humanizes the hardworking, motivated young people that the DREAM Act would help. And doing that confuses us. For instance, it caused the man (or woman) called BorderSanity to tell his local newspaper columnist: "The 'Nightmare' Act will only condone illegal behavior . . . E.J., somebody needs to check your immigration status." GetAclueWillU added, "The real dream act would be you Ed rounding up the illegals and their kids and moving back to Mexico or whatever country they might be from. ... And then write your column from that country." I appreciate the sentiment. The non-citizen children of illegal immigrants have had the benefit of an American education. They're not victims. But unless infants or toddlers are capable of breaking and entering, they're not criminals, either. They're more like investments, like stocks. We've spent an awful lot of money on their education and now they're on the verge of paying dividends (by way of taxes). There are hundreds of thousands of such young people, many willing to earn their citizenship in a way that most native-born kids are not - by going to college or joining the military. Reader azuser4441 put it this way, "Let's provide an opportunity for them to become productive members of society." It's not politics or philosophy. It's economics. We sank a lot of capital into these kids. We should demand a return on our investment.

Wikipedia has this to say, wonder what their source is. If it is the case then this really is an added incentive to get it passed, considering how much companies want to reform H1-B.

Democratic leadership has stated their refusal to consider H1B visa reform (a high-skill temporary visa program) unless the DREAM Act is first passed, leaving an opening for the issue to be addressed sooner.[citation needed] Reform of the H1B visa program is currently of high priority because its cap of 65,000 annual visas is considered by many as being too low. Furthermore, advocates of the DREAM Act have begun discussion of combining the DREAM Act with AgJOBS (Agricultural job Opportunities, Benefits and Security Act) and border enforcement legislation.
 

frostedflakes

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Yeah, I've always liked the DREAM Act. I'm against illegal immigration, but these kids can't help it that their parents came to this country illegally. I think it's a good idea to provide them with the opportunity to pursue higher education.
 

Carmen813

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Sounds like a good idea in principle, I'd like to see the legislation. Do you have a link?
 

ericlp

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Yeah, lets change the law about being born from a mother and a father that are non citizens of the USA but their child is now a citizen? Damn, that's a screwy law. I say we get rid of it and solve all kinds of problems for these mishaps.

The kids should be deported back to wherever their parents are. Why should it be automatically our responsibility?
 

ProfJohn

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It is a tough subject.

As long as these illegals are meeting the same residency requirements as anyone else then I think giving them in state tuition rates is okay.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Pippy
Really, no one else has anything to say?

It depends on if you are looking to have a discussion based on emotion or logic/law/facts. The problem with these discussions is that they tend to be the former, not the latter.
 

Circlenaut

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Originally posted by: Carmen813
Sounds like a good idea in principle, I'd like to see the legislation. Do you have a link?

I don't know how to directly link but you can put the bill number here.
 
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