DPAD Frustrations

Zbox

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Before I begin, I must say that I have enjoyed being involved with this project a great deal more than any other distributed computing project I have been a part of. Stephen Brooks is a great guy and he has done a wonderful job in staying involved with the DPAD community by actively informing it of the latest happenings as well as typically providing quick responses on the forum.

With the latest jump in better muon yields, DPAD has been quite an exciting project. Most of us thought that 10% transfers would never be touched, and now it seems that we may even be venturing a fair amount beyond there. Unfortunately, all of this excitement has been rather mixed with frustration. Some results submitted have gone missing, Muon1 FTP servers are broken (again), and the raw stats are no longer being updated (again). Please do not mistake what I am saying. Obviously there will be bumps in the road for any project, and it is fair to expect them. But in this particular circumstance, it is my belief that these problems have passed intermittency and are occurring on an all too frequent basis.

If a Muon1 FTP server has exhibited unreasonable inconsistency for the project, then it needs to immediately be pulled from the active servers list until rest assured, everything is working optimally again. I have said this before, and I will say it again: Stephen needs to have remote access so that should something go wrong with the stats box at work (particularly over the weekend), he has the ability to fix the problem from home. Obviously there are costs associated with this, but I do feel confident that the DPAD community would be happy to support it.

Overall, my experience with this project has been a rather fulfilling one. It revolves around a topic that is exciting for me. I believe this to be true for many of the active members. One result of having dedicated members is that we care (probably even a little too much at times) when things have gone awry. I feel that participant retention would increase and a considerable amount of new members would climb aboard if the DPAD project became more reliable.

-z
 

Unforgiven

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i hear your frustrations dude, but to be honest, the project is much more stable now than lets say 1 1/2-2 months ago. i completely agree with the fact that those ftp servers not online should be pulled immediately from the list. i guess my frustration is not on that high of a level ever since i set my servers.csv file to read only and have left only the main stephenbrooks.org server as the lone one that i upload to. you raise interesting points in all aspects of your post and being the contributor that you are, im sure they will be taken into deep consideration. i personally think that someone from the TeAm should host an ftp server (ive discussed it in another thread and would be willing to do it after seti I ends) so that we can get a reliable server that will actually have some friggin uptime and not puke all over itself every week! like i said earlier i can appreciate where you are coming from but in all honesty i think the project is really starting to take off and for me (other than 2 or 3 days late one time for results) i have had good success as of late. hopefully we can brainstorm some good ideas here and/or let stephen know the concerns of the community and build this project into something more reliable and dependable that can really rake in support from members with DC projects in mind :)
 

Unforgiven

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AWESOME! thats the way to be proactive!!! :) :beer: what software do you plan on using? i was going to try to set one up using serv-u but wasnt sure how it would work....
 

Zbox

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I tried using IIS 5 but that didn't go very well... Switched over to guildftpd this weekend, and it seems to be okay so far. We'll see when folks start logging in tho :p
 

Unforgiven

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i tried reading the instructions and was wondering how the data gets uploaded to the main server :confused: does stephen log into your ftp and then pull the data off? how does that part of it work?
 

Zbox

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yea, he has to configure a login with the datacenter account to log in to your ftp and pull it off that way
 

Unforgiven

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i tell ya what, our own ftp servers wont do sh*t unless we have a master server that is working properly :|
 

BlackMountainCow

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Z, I completly understand what u say. I myslef have withdrawn all machines but one PIII 600 from DPAD due to these reasons. If Stephen is not able to maintain his project properly then he does not deserve my CPU time! May sound a bit hard but that's my opinion.

I mean, look at his very own forums. Sometimes it takes days until he aswers to a thread. And the fact that he has no remote access to his stats server. For how long has the DPAD rawstats.txt not been updated by now, 24, 36, 48 hours or even more?? It was nice pushing [TA] to topspot but now I had it with DPAD. Especially since not even the very own stephenbrooks.org ftp server is working properly anymore. Several ppl (including me) have reported that they lost some heavy points on that one.

The only reason I sometimes still run DPAD is the fact that it doesn't need to store WUs and thus is very good to keep my PCs busy while I'm away for like 5 days and don't want to let my computers stay connected to the i-net.
 

Unforgiven

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ah man bmc, im sorry to see you cut production so much :( but to be frank with you, i dont blame you one bit. your posts over on that forum have been essentially ignored and dont blame you for being fed up! i dont understand why setting this project up to be stable seems to be an ongoing issue :confused: granted im not as angry/frustrated as you guys appear to be, but if i start losing stats and this stability issue, that has been going on for over 3 months now, isnt resolved, i too may be looking for another project. dont get me wrong i love dpad and its simplicity to run but if people start losing whole weeks worth of work on uploads then that just straight up sucks!
 

Zbox

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I certainly lost a fair amount of stats... How much? I have no idea, as I don't have the time to manually check & resubmit the results.dat from 50+ PCs. That is somewhat of a major problem :(
 

BlackMountainCow

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Zbox, I wrote on Stephen's forum that even you (_the_ major DPAD producer these days) have complained about the current situation. He might be able to ignore small guys like me but if he doesn't take _you_ into account ... then I just don't know how to help Stephen anymore ...
 

Zbox

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the ftp is operational and seems to be working just fine... just awaiting Stephen to make it part of his servers list
 

BlackMountainCow

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Originally posted by: Zbox
the ftp is operational and seems to be working just fine... just awaiting Stephen to make it part of his servers list

Can't wait to have at least ONE fully functional and working ftp server out there for DPAD ...
 

Zbox

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Honestly, I hope Stephen is okay :p It doesn't seem normal to not receive a response after this much time going by...
 

Overkiller

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guys dpad is a great project.

if i can just supply my .02 cents.

Stephen single - handedly is running the DPAD project along with doing a lot of the back-end work involved in the actual construction of the muon particle accelerator. While he cannot be in 50 places at one time please remember that this project IS still heavily in beta. the official release is not until v 5.xx. Things now are better than they were early early on.

I just think he has gotten pre-occupied with some other work and will be around shortly to fix everything. IF anything he should delegate some of the work (i.e. w/ the servers, ftps, website, and stats) to some long-standing members of the community that have been around since the early betas. I know a few in DPC are very well versed in the project and even the science behind it.

my .02 cents. it WILL get better :D
 

OverVolt

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is there a linux client yet? when i did dpad i dropped it about 1-2weeks because of the dropped results and the stats server, well, the stats didn't make sense, they would like backout to be huge negative numbers, and people would pass me who weren't on my threats list, and it would have people in my conquest list who were pumping like 100,000mpts a day while i was doing about 50,000-70,000.

Not to mention it's frustrating to dump a 4meg .txt file and have it get lost, and even more frustrating to back it up and resend it. i know sometimes it would take forever to upload the results too, it would go at like 1kb/s for 5megs of results.
 

BlackMountainCow

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is there a linux client yet?

There used to be some unofficial compilitations but they are like v3.1 and even before that. Stephen just refuses to do a linux port OR give away the source code to others to make a linux client :(
 

Mandrill

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I am down about 60-80k over the past week or two :( That is a lot for a small timer like me
 

BlackMountainCow

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Originally posted by: DanC
Looks to me like the latest snafu may be over?

I don't think so man. Look at my stats. My last dump contained a big deal of results of my results.dat as Stephen lost my 50.000 points on his very own server. So I had to resend parts of my results.dat to get my points. But his dupe checker hasn't removed the dupes for about 4 days now ... so NO, DPAD isn't working properly at all!