Dozens of Muslim groups take out full page ads denouncing terrorism

[Aisengard]

Funny, because I don't see the pro-Israeli Americans denouncing their home countries and praising the killing of Lebanese civilians. Try again.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Funny, because I don't see the pro-Israeli Americans denouncing their home countries and praising the killing of Lebanese civilians. Try again.

No I just see them waving Israeli flags, praising (and joining) the Israeli military and infiltrating American politics and media with a pro-Israel agenda which is far more insidious. And why do they have dual citizenship? That in itself brings any dual citizenship holders loyalty into question.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Termagant

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
I guess they aren't really moderates then, are they.

I guess not. As some d!psh!t said, "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." America's image must be looking pretty tarnished these days for the Muslims to have chosen the side they did. Sucks when you give people a choice and then they make the 'wrong' one.

Yawn.... blame America 1st episode #10650395.

Nice title OP :laugh:

You can refuse to accept reality and ignore what the Middle East people think on a broad range of issues at your own peril. I for one would rather know what we're dealing with.

 

[Screech]

5150Joker, does this really have to become a Jew/Israel thread like half the other threads in this forum?

back OT: not surprising.

 

[Rainsford]

So disagreeing with your government because you think their actions are giving ammunition to extremists and making all of us less safe is the same as excusing terrorists? Perhaps I'm missing something...but that seems to be quite a distinction.

 

[BarneyFife]

These are some of the most backward and hard headed nutjobs in the world. You can't reason with a muslim or talk any sense to him about anything. Stubborness and stupidity is a genetic trait of theirs.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
These are some of the most backward and hard headed nutjobs in the world. You can't reason with a muslim or talk any sense to him about anything. Stubborness and stupidity is a genetic trait of theirs.

Muslims are a race now? BTW what race/ethnic group/religion are you? Would help so we could pass judgement on you as well because from what I can tell, you aren't exactly a genius.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: rsd

So British born Muslims aren't British then? (And apparently many of them according to the poll don't consider themselves to be).

My understanding is that they are Muslim first.

/generalization

From my reading, this is correct. Which is bothersome

If these people consider themselves to be Muslim, but do not value at all the foundations of the British society of which they happen to be citizens by birth, then perhaps their British citizenship should be revoked and they should be deported.

The plotters of this conspiracy to down airliners, however, if found guilty in a court of law, should just be shot.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: rsd

So British born Muslims aren't British then? (And apparently many of them according to the poll don't consider themselves to be).

My understanding is that they are Muslim first.

/generalization

From my reading, this is correct. Which is bothersome

If these people consider themselves to be Muslim, but do not value at all the foundations of the British society of which they happen to be citizens by birth, then perhaps their British citizenship should be revoked and they should be deported.

The plotters of this conspiracy to down airliners, however, if found guilty in a court of law, should just be shot.

I love these new standards of living in a democratic society. We fight for the freedom to say what you want, do what you want, and think what you want, and if you do or think or say anything we disagree with, we're going to deport you or shoot you or throw you in jail. What the fvck is wrong with you people?

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: rsd

So British born Muslims aren't British then? (And apparently many of them according to the poll don't consider themselves to be).

My understanding is that they are Muslim first.

/generalization

From my reading, this is correct. Which is bothersome

If these people consider themselves to be Muslim, but do not value at all the foundations of the British society of which they happen to be citizens by birth, then perhaps their British citizenship should be revoked and they should be deported.

The plotters of this conspiracy to down airliners, however, if found guilty in a court of law, should just be shot.

I love these new standards of living in a democratic society. We fight for the freedom to say what you want, do what you want, and think what you want, and if you do or think or say anything we disagree with, we're going to deport you or shoot you or throw you in jail. What the fvck is wrong with you people?

LOL...right...so what you want is to be able to say what you want, without any ties to responsebility? Try this for an exercise...next time someone voices a different political view than you...don't say anything just keep your hole closed and let them speak without any input from you. Afterall that is what you are asking.

Just as they have the right to speak out, others have the same right to tell them they are full of sh!t and they need to get thier own house in order before they criticize those around them.

 

[DealMonkey]

And around it goes. No wonder there's never been peace in the Middle East in the last half century. Everyone's too busy pointing fingers at the other guy.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: rsd

So British born Muslims aren't British then? (And apparently many of them according to the poll don't consider themselves to be).

My understanding is that they are Muslim first.

/generalization

From my reading, this is correct. Which is bothersome

If these people consider themselves to be Muslim, but do not value at all the foundations of the British society of which they happen to be citizens by birth, then perhaps their British citizenship should be revoked and they should be deported.

The plotters of this conspiracy to down airliners, however, if found guilty in a court of law, should just be shot.

I love these new standards of living in a democratic society. We fight for the freedom to say what you want, do what you want, and think what you want, and if you do or think or say anything we disagree with, we're going to deport you or shoot you or throw you in jail. What the fvck is wrong with you people?

LOL...right...so what you want is to be able to say what you want, without any ties to responsebility? Try this for an exercise...next time someone voices a different political view than you...don't say anything just keep your hole closed and let them speak without any input from you. Afterall that is what you are asking.

Just as they have the right to speak out, others have the same right to tell them they are full of sh!t and they need to get thier own house in order before they criticize those around them.

Oh I agree, except that's not what Astaroth33 was flapping his cake hole about. I'm not suggesting that freedom of speech means freedom from criticism, I'm saying freedom of speech means your citizenship can't be revoked and you can't be deported for saying something someone else doesn't agree with...which is what Astaroth33 is suggesting should be the punishment for disagreeing with his views. See the difference?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Funny, because I don't see the pro-Israeli Americans denouncing their home countries and praising the killing of Lebanese civilians. Try again.

No I just see them waving Israeli flags, praising (and joining) the Israeli military and infiltrating American politics and media with a pro-Israel agenda which is far more insidious. And why do they have dual citizenship? That in itself brings any dual citizenship holders loyalty into question.

You must be smoking some expired weed there, my friend.

What is insidious is having someone totally submitted to their religion, which manifaset as an idolatry -- heeding the words of some cleric, as he were the messanger of god, and ready to do what he says (e.g. shooting people, or blowing up a plane).

Trying to portray dual-citizenship as bad thing is so off-target, since you are forgetting that the USA means the United States of America, while the EU is heading in the same direction by aiming to allow the free flow of people amongst its memeber states.

Just like Texas won't be declaring war tomorrow on Arizona, it's unlikely that Finland will attack France.

 

[sandorski]

Freedom of Speech is ok, as long as the speech deals with X(to be determined) subject.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Funny, because I don't see the pro-Israeli Americans denouncing their home countries and praising the killing of Lebanese civilians. Try again.

No I just see them waving Israeli flags, praising (and joining) the Israeli military and infiltrating American politics and media with a pro-Israel agenda which is far more insidious. And why do they have dual citizenship? That in itself brings any dual citizenship holders loyalty into question.

You must be smoking some expired weed there, my friend.

What is insidious is having someone totally submitted to their religion, which manifaset as an idolatry -- heeding the words of some cleric, as he were the messanger of god, and ready to do what he says (e.g. shooting people, or blowing up a plane).

Trying to portray dual-citizenship as bad thing is so off-target, since you are forgetting that the USA means the United States of America, while the EU is heading in the same direction by aiming to allow the free flow of people amongst its memeber states.

Just like Texas won't be declaring war tomorrow on Arizona, it's unlikely that Finland will attack France.

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There is nothing wrong to be "submitted" to one's religion.

However, I totally agree with you that some people take the word of random clerics WAY too seroiusly...when often that Cleric has ulterior motives and has long been corrupted by greedy and lust for moeny or power (I'm thinking of Al Sadr in Iraq)

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
As I've been trying to indicate, perhaps even moderate Muslims have become so outraged by the US, the UK and Israel that they are starting to view attacks by Hezbolla, Hamas and other groups as something these countries deserve. They've witnessed tens of thousands of Iraqis killed since March 2003. How many Palestinians killed? How many Lebanese killed? It's too bad that we're losing the moderate Muslim community. I would think strategically in a WoT-sense, having their opinion on your side would be a tremendously powerful thing.

Pray tell, kind sir, who was responsible for all those tens of thousands of deaths in Iraq?

Ah, yes, it was Sunnis and Shias, slaughtering each other, yet, surprisingly, you do not see any vivid pictures of this carnage on Arab media, nor posing with the bodies for the cameras, because (unfortunately) you cannot pin this one on the Zionists.

How many Lebanese killed? Well, probably a lot less than what they claim, and if anything, plenty of them are because Hezbollah intentionally fires from cities and towns.

And the Palestinians? Well, I remember a poor little boy by the name of Mohamed al-Durah..... I guess we'll have to revise the numbers again to take into account all those walking corpses.

 

[dahunan]

I just wish God was real and he would come down and recycle all of the radical religious people and send them to hell where they belong

 

[straightalker]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Oh wait a minute - I misread that.

No, they took out full page ads denouncing the policies of the UK/Blair. Hello, victimization and blackmail, goodbye any sense of responsibility for your community!

Just yesterday, dozens of established British Muslim groups bought full-page ads in London papers denouncing the policies of Prime Minister Tony Blair. "It is our view that current British government policy risks putting civilians at increased risk both in the U.K. and abroad," the ad stated in an open letter to Blair. "The debacle of Iraq and now the failure to do more to secure an immediate end to the attacks on civilians in the Middle East ... is also ammunition to extremists who threaten us all."

Link


I wonder if christian groups took out full page ads excusing abortion clinic/Olympics bombings because of Clinton's policy?

But it's not just the crackdown on local terror suspects that has people here angry. Ahmed Versi, editor of the London-based Muslim News, said some of the rhetoric used to denounce the suspected terror plot has led already to an outpouring of concern among his readers. He pointed in particular to President George W. Bush's reference this week to "Islamic fascists" tied to the plot.

If the shoe fits...

In other news, rape victims blamed for "being too sexy", robbery victims for "having more money" than those who rob.

Just another shot on this forum made by alchemize taken at Christians. Homicidal maniacs bomb abortion clinics and Sporting Arenas packed with crowds. Not Christians.

 

[1EZduzit]

It seems to me that the muslims do practice a double standard. We have to respect their rights and customs, but they don't give a squi about ours.

I wonder what would happen if a bunch of christians took out full page ads in a major muslim country/city?

 

[straightalker]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It seems to me that the muslims do practice a double standard. We have to respect their rights and customs, but they don't give a squi about ours.

I wonder what would happen if a bunch of christians took out full page ads in a major muslim country/city?

Muslims have a tough sell. An impossible sell really. They can't take a real stand against terrorism, because of their prophet Mohammed's command given to all Muslims to either convert of kill every human being of the planet that they meet. Please don't dispute this. It's in multiple places in Islamic texts and said in multiple very clear ways. No mistake is possible.

So, how can a Muslim take a real stand against terrorism?

A full page ad in a few major Newspapers of the Western World made by Islam's formost religious leaders who are denouncing the terrorist instruction texts found in the Qu'ran would be a fantastic start.

Anything less is just empty words. A standing order to commit terror must be cancelled first.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: straightalker

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It seems to me that the muslims do practice a double standard. We have to respect their rights and customs, but they don't give a squi about ours.

I wonder what would happen if a bunch of christians took out full page ads in a major muslim country/city?

Muslims have a tough sell. An impossible sell really. They can't take a real stand against terrorism, because of their prophet Mohammed's command given to all Muslims to either convert of kill every human being of the planet that they meet. Please don't dispute this. It's in multiple places in Islamic texts and said in multiple very clear ways. No mistake is possible.

So, how can a Muslim take a real stand against terrorism?

A full page ad in a few major Newspapers of the Western World made by Islam's formost religious leaders who are denouncing the terrorist instruction texts found in the Qu'ran would be a fantastic start.

Anything less is just empty words. A standing order to commit terror must be cancelled first.

BS