Dousing the Flames?

mollymawk

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The following is an excerpt from David Brin's "Gaia, Freedom, and Human Nature -- Some Ironies on the Way to Creating the Network of the Future."

In view of the hatred, ad hominem attacks, and unkindness that have alienated several of AnandTech's best and most prolific members, I wonder if the time has arrived for an ATOT "courtesy worm." ;)

COURTESY

Many of you have seen this phenomenon on nearly every info-network -- people "flaming on," spewing diatribes, in effect screaming ASCII invective at anyone who disagrees with their point of view. It is not a new phenomenon, but one we encounter whenever a new medium of communication appears. Radio dramatically amplified the perceived power and charisma of such early, hypnotic users as Huey Long and Adolf Hitler, and it conveyed a myriad of unchallenged lies. Until a populace learns sophistication -- and develops calluses -- any new field of discourse can be rife with dangers. Or at minimum plagued with discourtesy.

What happens in our new medium is that the screen in front of the user provides few, if any, of the social interaction cues that we learned as children, and that evolved over thousands of years. These consist of body language, facial expressions, and continuing feedback from others. These cues enabled our ancestors to gauge how to say things in tribal council in ways that generally did not cause the guy two rocks over to pick up a spear and drive it through your belly. None of this is taking place on today's home computer screen.

Instead, what you see is people behaving like they have Tourette's Syndrome, the mental ailment which causes its hapless victims to suddenly, uncontrollably, burst into fits of extravagant cursing. These "Net-Tourettes" -- or flamers -- are a bane to the new commons. They are a threat to our ability to create a citizenship, a sense of polis, out of the burgeoning information community. Something must be done about it.

Yet, of course, the solution absolutely cannot come from on high! It cannot come as censorship in any form, or the free market of ideas we spoke of earlier will be impaired, perhaps ruined. Rather, what we need is new interfaces that are much better at giving the sorts of feedback (e.g., facial expressions) that people are already tuned to heed. This trend toward humanizing the medium began with the Macintosh and will grow more natural with each generation of equipment and software. It cannot help doing so, for customers will demand it.

But the ultimate solution will not arise out of simply improved interfaces. In the free exchange of a true network, there will inevitably develop certain types of feedback that cause cyber-sociopaths to fear behaving too obnoxiously toward their neighbors. As in real life, where repeated odious public behavior can lead to a punch in the nose, this feedback is going to manifest itself in pain. No law or supervising agency will enforce this more powerfully than peer pressure, applied in imaginative ways.

In my novel, Earth, I describe something called a "courtesy worm." It is a guerilla program, an illegal virus, that goes around targeting people who are too angry and vituperative on the Net. Attracted by unsavory, scatological, and ad hominem phrasings, the worm gets into the flamer's system and announces, "Hello. You have been infected by the program, Emilypost, because your presence on the Net is impinging on the rights and enjoyment of others. If you'll check your credibility ratings, sir, you would soon realize nobody is listening to you, anyway. We suggest you try behaving in a more grown up manner. If you don't, you will soon discover certain features of Emilypost which..."

I am not advocating this "solution." It is, simply, inevitable.

(Written by David Brin)
 

NovaTerra

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I would like to extend to you the highest level of COURTESY when I say that you can go Fvck yourself.
:)
 

Yo Ma Ma

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<< In view of the hatred, ad hominem attacks, and unkindness that have alienated several of AnandTech's best and most prolific members, I wonder if the time has arrived for an ATOT &quot;courtesy worm.&quot; >>

Some need it more urgently than others.
 

mollymawk

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I would like to extend to you the highest level of COURTESY when I say that you can go Fvck yourself. :)

Exactly the sort of crap remark I would expect from you, considering what you list as your &quot;hometown.&quot;
 

Moonbeam

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Man that david brin is heavy. There is a one problem I see. I unfortunately know somebody so obnoxious as to be subjected to a near total social bann. This person's reaction is to continue to try even harder to inflict pain on others. I describe this person as a cleaver sociopath who knows how to use the system and its limits to protect herself from consequences, but who in a primitive society would have not woken up one morning due to a bolder crushed skull.

I have often diagnosed the cause of flame wars as the result of people with bad feelings atacking and responding to people who, out of their own bad feelings, are hurt and respond in kind. That includes everybody, hence the epidemic. And like with the Israeles and Palestinians it's easy to loose track of where things started. And while it is also easy to identify and condemn rank abusers, it is far more difficult to to come to terms with our own inability to let go of a slight. My point is that those who are hurt by a verbal assault are not really hurt by the attack itself, but are responding to old hurt that has been repressed, but is still felt. Thus we are all responsible for our hurt, and able to be hurt because we don't want to awaken to that old hurt and get past it. The person who truely knows he or she is ok has no defenses but can't be hurt by putdowns.

This point is central to everything there is. It is the last point that anybody wants to know. It's the ticket off the karmic wheel. So the blame game will continue. It will always be the other guy's fault. The remedy will always need to be that we have to fix the world, never that we have to look within, never that we have a deep hurt inside that needs fixing.

The reason we need to try to be kind is to not add to the already terrible mess. It's impossible to succeed, but we need to try. The more people realize their own complicity in this neverending transfer of putdowns, that their won hurt is the cause and the effect, the sooner we will be able to let go. There is nothing wrong with anybody and nobody who believes it.