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Doula woes

paulney

Diamond Member
Cliff notes below.

Edit for clarity: we hired a doula (not a midwife). We are by all means going to the hospital. We are not and were not going to do it at home.

Here's the story: we are expecting a baby, and a due date is coming up fast (in a week or so). Since it's our first, and my wife is uneasy about the labor, we decided to hire a doula. Interviewed a couple of women who do it for a living, and settled down with one of them. They all charge in $900 - $1k range. Deposit is $300, and $600-700 due 3 weeks before the due date. We paid it all in full, and that's when troubles began.

Doula promised she'd go to a doctor with my wife whenever her next check-up will be. It's not part of the contract, but she advertised this as what she does 'extra', and hence we picked her. Now, Thursday night before the appointment she calls us and says: 'sorry, can't come - a another client of mine is in labor'. Fine. Doulas pick up to 2 ppl per month, so that due dates don't conflict, so it's all understandable. Friday my wife goes to the doctor, and schedules a next appointment. Calls the doula and leaves a message asking to call back. Doula does not call back until Monday. We think it's because she just took a long weekend, and not because someone was giving birth.

Yesterday night (night before another doctor appointment) doula calls again: can't make it - another client is in labor. I said: wtf, she is not supposed to have anyone else, someone is lying here. So, I called her back and had a very polite conversation asking what's going on: is she going to pull the same trick when my wife goes in labor? She explained last time she was substituting someone else, and this time it's her real client. And that she's not supposed to go to the doctor, but don't worry, she'll do it. All was well, so I said: ok, sorry, thanks.

This morning she calls my wife and starts complaining how I emotionally unsettled her, and she has a sick baby, yada-yada. And that she makes so many sacrifices in her personal life being a doula. She's paid for it, she chose the job, damn it. Then she starts talking about the possibility of having a backup doula for us, because she wants to go to Tahoe at the end of March! WTF! She knew all along she'd go to Tahoe for spring break with her kids, yet she signed the contract with us. The contract says there could be a backup doula in case of emergency (she gets sick, or smth else). There's no emergency here - she just wants to go for a vacation...

Now, technically, she has not violated anything in her contract yet, but her attitude towards fulfilling her promises really worries me. Don't know what to do.

Cliff notes:
1. Hired doula
2. She starts backing out of her promises
3. Technically, contract has not been violated
4. The situation sucks overall.

 
Labor is not that bad. My wife is a complete wuss when it comes to pain and she made it through 2 kids just fine. Just get the epidural and be done with it. Make sure you are there for your wife through ALL of it and it will all be fine.
 
Well, when you go in labor, they pretty much leave you alone in the delivery room, because it's such a long and tedious process. A nurse checks every 15 min or so and they do monitor you remotely via attached sensors. The doctor shows up only for the final stage when you are ready to push.

Midwife stays with you the whole time and helps easing the pain, speeding up and controlling the process. Typically they are former nurses who retired and do this as a side gig.
 
Originally posted by: Crucial
Labor is not that bad. My wife is a complete wuss when it comes to pain and she made it through 2 kids just fine. Just get the epidural and be done with it. Make sure you are there for your wife through ALL of it and it will all be fine.

Yeah, I'll be there that's for sure. It's just that we heard enough horror stories, that paying someone experienced to stay with us seemed like a sensible thing to do.
 
Originally posted by: Joemonkey
i'm sorry but... what a waste of money

are you physically unable to be there for her yourself?

I'll be there.
We have friends who did it without the midwife. They ended up having to have a c-section, because nurses and doc screwed up: they did not come in time.

We have another friend who would get a c-section if not for the midwife: her contractions stopped, and doc was ready to roll her into surgery room. Midwife massaged her legs and caused contractions again.
 
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Crucial
Labor is not that bad. My wife is a complete wuss when it comes to pain and she made it through 2 kids just fine. Just get the epidural and be done with it. Make sure you are there for your wife through ALL of it and it will all be fine.

Yeah, I'll be there that's for sure. It's just that we heard enough horror stories, that paying someone experienced to stay with us seemed like a sensible thing to do.

My wife and I slept for the 4 hours she was in labor with our 1st child. They woke me up 10 minutes before the pushing started and it was done 20 minutes later.

Our second took a little longer but was still smooth as could be. There really is nothing to do during early labor. You just have to wait and comfort your wife. The petocin they give her will speed up the contractions.
 
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: cjchaps
What is a midwife for? I thought they actually birthed babies?

Thats what I thought too. She sounds more like a doula.

It's the same thing.

Not quite.

A birth doula does not replace your doctor or midwife, and will not do vaginal exams or check your blood pressure.

Often, a birth doula?s work with you will include prenatal visits to discuss the birth and get to know your priorities. She may utilize and be trained in birth art, meditation, birth hypnosis, relaxation, massage for labor, aromoatherapy, lactation, and other modalities. Many doulas will come to your home in early labor and assist you to labor at home and with confidence and support. If you are birthing in a hospital or birth center, she will then go with you and continue to support you there. She will help remind you and your partner of your birth plans and alternatives, but she will not speak on your behalf. The doula?s role is to look out exclusively for your emotional well being and she often sees herself as a protector of the mother?s memories of the birth.

Nowadays, midwives perform pap smears, physical exams, offer family planning options and perimenopausal counseling. They can provide primary care for most common health complaints for women of all ages.

Of course midwives also provide prenatal care, deliver babies, and postnatal care which includes lactation education. Midwives can deliver babies in the hospital, birthing center and in the home.
 
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Joemonkey
i'm sorry but... what a waste of money

are you physically unable to be there for her yourself?

I'll be there.
We have friends who did it without the midwife. They ended up having to have a c-section, because nurses and doc screwed up: they did not come in time.

We have another friend who would get a c-section if not for the midwife: her contractions stopped, and doc was ready to roll her into surgery room. Midwife massaged her legs and caused contractions again.

these "testimonials" sound extremely sketchy.
 
Sucks. I guess in the future you need to get a referral if you take this route!

Originally posted by: paulney
Well, when you go in labor, they pretty much leave you alone in the delivery room, because it's such a long and tedious process. A nurse checks every 15 min or so and they do monitor you remotely via attached sensors. The doctor shows up only for the final stage when you are ready to push.

Midwife stays with you the whole time and helps easing the pain, speeding up and controlling the process. Typically they are former nurses who retired and do this as a side gig.
Having gone through this eight months ago I can recommend a hospital. Yes, a nurse won't be by your side for the entire time, but at the place we were at we didn't feel at all like we were being left there to go it alone. The fact is, most of it you're just sitting there waiting anyway, so what's the need of a nurse next to you? If you have any problems, they will come in. Further, given how often somebody is in the room anyway, you'll have plenty of time to address ANY concerns you have.

In this day and age, given where medicine is, I can't imagine why you'd want to take an 1800's approach to child birth. Even if you don't want any drugs as part of this, a nurse can't give you an IV or react competently to an emergency. For one they lack the equipment, for two the knowledge, and three it's illegal. The single room we had was quite comfortable, and if one thing would have given us fear it would be not having the medical staff 10 meters away if we needed them.
Do you live in a castle?
LOL
It's just that we heard enough horror stories, that paying someone experienced to stay with us seemed like a sensible thing to do.
I thought we did that when we had this done at a hospital 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sucks. I guess in the future you need to get a referral if you take this route!

Originally posted by: paulney
Well, when you go in labor, they pretty much leave you alone in the delivery room, because it's such a long and tedious process. A nurse checks every 15 min or so and they do monitor you remotely via attached sensors. The doctor shows up only for the final stage when you are ready to push.

Midwife stays with you the whole time and helps easing the pain, speeding up and controlling the process. Typically they are former nurses who retired and do this as a side gig.
Having gone through this eight months ago I can recommend a hospital. Yes, a nurse won't be by your side for the entire time, but at the place we were at we didn't feel at all like we were being left there to go it alone. The fact is, most of it you're just sitting there waiting anyway, so what's the need of a nurse next to you? If you have any problems, they will come in. Further, given how often somebody is in the room anyway, you'll have plenty of time to address ANY concerns you have.

In this day and age, given where medicine is, I can't imagine why you'd want to take an 1800's approach to child birth. Even if you don't want any drugs as part of this, a nurse can't give you an IV or react competently to an emergency. For one they lack the equipment, for two the knowledge, and three it's illegal. The single room we had was quite comfortable, and if one thing would have given us fear it would be not having the medical staff 10 meters away if we needed them.
Do you live in a castle?
LOL
It's just that we heard enough horror stories, that paying someone experienced to stay with us seemed like a sensible thing to do.
I thought we did that when we had this done at a hospital 🙂

Hey, you guys misunderstood me: we ARE going to the hospital
Doula will go with us to the hospital. We are not going to do it at home!
 
We have another friend who would get a c-section if not for the midwife: her contractions stopped, and doc was ready to roll her into surgery room. Midwife massaged her legs and caused contractions again.
So the friend had an overly aggressive and bad doctor, or for all you know a c-section WAS the best recommendation, but the midwife, unable to perform one, was like "Oh sh*t, I hope I get lucky", and she did.

Wouldn't you want that option of a c-section if the child is in breach? What the hell do you think you're going to do then?

Midwife: "Um, this kid is not coming out"
You: "OH FVCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK! Wife, get in the car, time to run like bejesus to the damn hospital!"
 
Hey, you guys misunderstood me: we ARE going to the hospital
Doula will go with us to the hospital. We are not going to do it at home!
OK I misunderstood ! OK, well the midwife is a total freaking waste of money. You're paying soebody to sit there and hold your wife's hand. Seriously you're throwing your money away; you don't need one.

Anyway good luck 🙂

I'm glad you're not doing a home birth. That's just freaking nutty when people do that.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
We have another friend who would get a c-section if not for the midwife: her contractions stopped, and doc was ready to roll her into surgery room. Midwife massaged her legs and caused contractions again.
So the friend had an overly aggressive and bad doctor, or for all you know a c-section WAS the best recommendation, but the midwife, unable to perform one, was like "Oh sh*t, I hope I get lucky", and she did.

Wouldn't you want that option of a c-section if the child is in breach? What the hell do you think you're going to do then?

Midwife: "Um, this kid is not coming out"
You: "OH FVCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK! Wife, get in the car, time to run like bejesus to the damn hospital!"

Dude, I'm not sure you realize what you are talking about.

1. She did not get "lucky". Accupuncture leg massage can and will cause contractions, but docs prefer to do c-sections, because it pays a lot more. Some hospitals are notorious for doing them at staggering rates. For example, El Camino hospital here.

2. If the child is in the breach position, hospitals do not allow vaginal birth. They examine you at every prenatal visit to make sure the child is positioned right.

3. We are going to the hospital. Edit: ok, we cleared that one

 
first, fire her for breach of contract

second. you do not need a midwife, it's 2005 no 1805

third, how much did or would this have cost you?
 
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