Douchebag to release more war data

Narmer

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Look at this douche. Looks like a perv. Makes me sick what this douche-perv is doing to this country. He should be hanged for his crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11562494
Pentagon braces for new Iraq war Wikileaks

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Mr Assange founded the Wikileaks whistleblower website in 2006
The US military has assembled a 120-member team to prepare for the expected publication of some 400,000 Iraq war documents on the Wikileaks website.
The documents are thought to concern battle activity, Iraqi security forces and civilian casualties.
The Pentagon said it wants the documents back to avoid potentially damaging information being released.
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The timing is unclear but it would dwarf Wikileaks' July publication of more than 70,000 Afghan war files.
Pentagon spokesman Col Dave Lapan said the team was reviewing the files on the Iraq war to discover what the possible impact of the Wikileaks release could be.
Col Lapan said the files were from an Iraq-based database that contained "significant acts, unit-level reporting, tactical reports, things of that nature".
He said the Pentagon did not know the timing of the leak but they were preparing for it to be as early as Monday or Tuesday.
Other sources said it may come later in the month.
'Smear campaign'
Col Lapan said the files should be returned to the Pentagon because "we don't believe Wikileaks or others have the expertise needed. It's not as simple as just taking out names. There are other things and documents that aren't names that are also potentially damaging."
Wikileaks' release in July of thousands of documents on the war in Afghanistan prompted US military officials to warn that the whistleblower website might cause the deaths of US soldiers and Afghan civilians because some of the documents contained the names of locals who had helped coalition forces.
But US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said in a letter to the head of the Senate Armed Services Committee that the leak had not revealed any "sensitive intelligence sources or methods".
There have been fears that such leaks could damage US intelligence sharing with other nations as well as intelligence sharing between US agencies.
The investigation into the Afghan leak has focused on Bradley Manning, a US army intelligence analyst who is in custody and has been charged with leaking a classified video of a US helicopter attack in Iraq in 2007 in which a dozen people were killed.
The Wikileaks website is currently offline "undergoing scheduled maintenance". Founder Julian Assange is being investigated in Sweden over an alleged sex crime.
He denies the charge and says the the allegations are part of a smear campaign by opponents of his whistle-blowing website.
 

BoberFett

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Good. The US government needs to be held accountable. Nobody inside seems willing or able to do it, so it's up to someone on the outside.
 

SlickSnake

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Look at this douche. Looks like a perv. Makes me sick what this douche-perv is doing to this country. He should be hanged for his crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11562494

What crimes? He's not a US citizen "HOMELAND" puppet like you are, is he?

"But US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said in a letter to the head of the Senate Armed Services Committee that the leak had not revealed any "sensitive intelligence sources or methods"."

Huh, must be some really super sensitive stuff there, if Gates don't seem too worried about it. Gates can tell just by his clearance level what files he had access to. Most likely it's 90% worthless supply reports and paper pushing crap like promotions or demotions, and the other 10% of interest to anyone is casualty reports which might be a bit embarrassing if the numbers don't even remotely match the guesstemating the military feeds the government run "HOMELAND" propaganda press in the USA.
 

Double Trouble

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Look at this douche. Looks like a perv. Makes me sick what this douche-perv is doing to this country. He should be hanged for his crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11562494

Hanged for his crimes? What crime exactly would that be?

Look, if he was releasing information that directly compromises people in the field somehow, or exposing top secret information that makes the whole world less safe, that's one thing. In this case he's just exposing information that one government (the US government) doesn't want exposed. He's perfectly within his rights to do so, and sometimes you need outside watchdogs to report on what's going on, or you're just going to get whatever garbage the government wants to feed you.

I'm not a big fan of this guy, but hanged for his crimes? Hardly. Just a case of wanting to shoot the messenger.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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But US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said in a letter to the head of the Senate Armed Services Committee that the leak had not revealed any "sensitive intelligence sources or methods".

So what is what?
 

Linflas

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If the information was really that sensitive then the military needs to be more careful with how they control classified information. It amazes me that a private had access to that much sensitive information, even with a clearance the access should only be on a "need know" basis.
 

PeshakJang

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If the information was really that sensitive then the military needs to be more careful with how they control classified information. It amazes me that a private had access to that much sensitive information, even with a clearance the access should only be on a "need know" basis.

I think in most of these cases, the individual pieces of information may not be classified, but when taken as a whole, they provide enough information to be considered sensitive. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

If the website guy can't be held responsible... I certainly hope the service members involved are brought up on treason charges.
 

Linflas

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I think in most of these cases, the individual pieces of information may not be classified, but when taken as a whole, they provide enough information to be considered sensitive. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

If the website guy can't be held responsible... I certainly hope the service members involved are brought up on treason charges.

I don't know how it works now but when I was in the Navy every document by default was classified confidential. That meant that the squardron Plan Of The Day was technically classified information even though it contained nothing likely to cause damage to national security. I have not been following the Wikileaks thing closely but I have to think the stuff they have is at least Secret or higher or it would not be such a big concern.
 

halik

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If it was actually sensitive, NSA/CIA would get it back their own way, presumably using the "national security" clause.

Also my sarcasm meter is off today, not sure what the o/p was trying to do.
 

Acanthus

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I'm not a giant fan of Assange as a person, but i don't get the animosity against Assange for Wikileaks?

As long as they don't get informants killed... The information given by them gives us a glimpse into the brutal truths of warfare.
 

halik

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He is not a U.S. citizen.

How would that make it more difficult to execute?

The intelligence agencies would have to get legally-creative to be able to do that stuff to a U.S. citizen (ie that "national security" thing), a non-citizen is a completely different story.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Wow, so much blind hate from the whackos today.

Anyone you don't like = assassination now.

Really, have we fallen that low?
 

airdata

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Look at this douche. Looks like a perv. Makes me sick what this douche-perv is doing to this country. He should be hanged for his crimes.

I think they're actively persuing him. They also put up the charges of rape against him which I believe were dropped.

SO I guess if character assassination doesn't work, he'll probably die in a plane crash or something.

But, we also shouldn't have soldiers over there laughing about killing people and all that other stuff that's being show to have gone on. We also probably shouldn't be paying groups like ' Black water / xi / or whatever they change their name to ' to send in their paramilitary guys who are being reported to have killing competitions and trophy collection, etc.
 

BeauJangles

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As long as this information doesn't threaten the lives of soldiers currently stationed in Iraq, I think these releases are a good thing. Too often the reality of a war is hidden from the public. Documents are declared "vital to national security" and censored or just completely unavailable and it is only twenty or thirty years later that we learn a fraction of the truths about our day-to-day combat operations in foreign countries.
 

ichy

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Wow, so much blind hate from the whackos today.

Anyone you don't like = assassination now.

Really, have we fallen that low?

It's not that he's disliked, it's that he's endangering the lives of US troops and informants in Afghanistan.
 

her209

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It's not that he's disliked, it's that he's endangering the lives of US troops and informants in Afghanistan.
Captain Obvious says: You endanger the lives of US troops by putting them in the way of danger.
 

BeauJangles

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It's not that he's disliked, it's that he's endangering the lives of US troops and informants in Afghanistan.

What information that has been released so far has endangered anyone's life? It seems to me like a lot of what they're releasing are documents from years ago, though I admit I haven't read through everything.
 

CitizenKain

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Wow, so much blind hate from the whackos today.

Anyone you don't like = assassination now.

Really, have we fallen that low?

Looking at the people who want him dead, is it really a surprise? Little soldierboys and followers always love the idea of shooting everyone they don't agree with.
 

Kadarin

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It's not that he's disliked, it's that he's endangering the lives of US troops and informants in Afghanistan.

"The online leak of thousands of secret military documents from the war in Afghanistan by the website WikiLeaks did not disclose any sensitive intelligence sources or methods, the Department of Defense concluded."

"But a senior NATO official in Kabul told CNN that there has not been a single case of Afghans needing protection or to be moved because of the leak."

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/16/wikileaks.assessment/index.html?hpt=T2