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Dothan vs X2

This is where we should be, the whole P4 experiment was an abysmal failure.

Dothan vs X2 is basically the evolution of the P3 vs TBird cores.

nice.

too bad Intel had to bail for a while, could you imagine where we'd be right now if intel had continued with the P3 core even tho they were behind in performance instead of trying to cheat with the P4 core?

even intel fanbois have to admit intel took a bad shortcut there. 😉
 
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
This is where we should be, the whole P4 experiment was an abysmal failure.

Dothan vs X2 is basically the evolution of the P3 vs TBird cores.

nice.

too bad Intel had to bail for a while, could you imagine where we'd be right now if intel had continued with the P3 core even tho they were behind in performance instead of trying to cheat with the P4 core?

even intel fanbois have to admit intel took a bad shortcut there. 😉

Work on the P6 continued....What the hell you call Bainis? or whatever it was called. And Its close to call clock for clock against the K8 but overall the K8 is a more rounded chip, so AMD is winning thus far.
 
*so far*, correctly stated...

I have high expectations on Dual Core Dothan... on a NICE plataform.

But then again, if Intel goes Dothan way, all the DDR2 change was a gigantic hoax.
 
Originally posted by: Aenslead
*so far*, correctly stated...

I have high expectations on Dual Core Dothan... on a NICE plataform.

But then again, if Intel goes Dothan way, all the DDR2 change was a gigantic hoax.

Yeah I am looking forward too, and it was "Thus far "😉 no worries. One thing, Yonah wont be going against a 2.4 Ghz X2, 65nm is on track and by Q1 AMD will have quad cores out, the same time yonah is slated...
 
Originally posted by: clarkey01
Originally posted by: Kensai
Currently, X2 > Dothan.

Be careful, theres alot of hope riding on Dothan for some on these boards. Despite no numbers...

i don't know about NO numbers.

dothan on the ASUS mbs seem to run quite well as desktop.

the Pentium M chips are the dominant laptop CPU on the market, way outclassing the P4 especially (even tho it isn't really fair) on a clock for clock basis.

the Pentium M seems to have similar clock for clock performance to the K8 Series.

i'd like to see what the dothan can do if Intel really puts some engineering behind it and makes an effort to make it competitive with the X2's. 😉

i just don't think the P4 platform even with dual core can keep up with the X2 development.
 
Clearly the P4 can not run with the X2, the question about P-M cores being mainstreamed into dual core is interesting, but assumes one thing that looks to be wrong. That is the fact that AMD is not sitting idle either. Intel needs to jump ahead 2 generations to put itself in front of the X2 or run the risk of looking like as "also ran" product even when/if dual Dothan arrives to save the day for Intel...
 
Originally posted by: Soldier
Clearly the P4 can not run with the X2, the question about P-M cores being mainstreamed into dual core is interesting, but assumes one thing that looks to be wrong. That is the fact that AMD is not sitting idle either. Intel needs to jump ahead 2 generations to put itself in front of the X2 or run the risk of looking like as "also ran" product even when/if dual Dothan arrives to save the day for Intel...

agreed, but right now the dothan or at least the Pentium M, clearly outclasses Intels Stablemate the P4.

one can speculate that if intel has indeed been doing some development but kept it hidden on the Dothan so as to surprise the industry, it is possible for intel to come up with a very competitive product if not a superior one to the X2.


again, the point of my OP tho really is, if only intel had chosen to stay with the P3 platform and develop it into the Dothan / Pentium M sooner instead of the aborted attempt known as the P4, all enthusiast would be better off today.

 
Don't be fooled by Intel's lack of competition these past couple years. They're not incapable of producing a good product, I think they were just caught off guard and were making bandaid fixes to an architecture not best suited to general purpose processing. The Netburst architecture is great for a few specialized tasks, but lacking in other areas. The Athlon 64 turned out to be a good all around performer so it raised a few eyebrows as Intel received some bad press over being beat by the underdog.

The Dothan is less like the Netburst design, which is a good thing. All this time Intel has had to figure out what will put the Dothan design ahead of the Athlon 64... what they need to do to make it into a dual core processor and remove bandwidth limitations and lower latency to leave room for clock speeds to scale. They don't want to be in another situation like the Pentium 4's with a 400-533 MHz bus and 400 MHz RAM that were incapable of supplying the CPU with enough data... the problem only getting worse as core clock speeds increase.

The main thing the Dothan has going for it right now is it's low power consumption while still maintaining good levels of performance comparatively.

I wonder what AMD is doing. We're now seeing all their plans that have been talked about for the past 3 years or so... first the A64... then 90nm low power CPU's... and now dual cores. I haven't heard about any new architectures they're working on... the only thing I've heard about is quad core CPU's. If that's the direction things go, rather than significant architectural changes, it then becomes a question of who has the better foundation... AMD, who's dual core architecture is now about 2 years old and coming into production now... or Intel, who's dual core architecture is being designed right now. It makes me think Intel will have an advantage in that respect since Intel can better predict what the needs will be 3 years from now than AMD could predict what the needs would be 5 years from when they started developing dual core processors.
 
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