Doom 3: CPU Battlegrounds - Guess who wins it ;)

[jacktesterson]

How do you think a Barton 2500+ O/c'd to 3200+ (2.2GHz, 400 FSB) would fair ?

 

[manko]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
You don't get it. I don't care if the apps *are* optimized for the P4 or not, I just care about the encoding time. I don't care about having fair benchmarks, I care about getting my encoding done. I don't use CCE, I use tmpenc which is heavily P4 optimized (I don't have the money to spend on CCE, maybe you do). If the apps I needed were all K8 optimized, then I'd use an A64 to do my encoding.

Also, I see you didn't care to comment on the 3DS and Lightwave benchies. I was replying to the post that the K8 is faster in all respects to the P4, which it clearly isn't. Most, yes; all, no.

With the replies on this board, you'd think that by proclaming anything other than that the A64 is the be-all and end-all CPU, you'd just raped their mother. :roll:

Since I'm not in the market for an $800+ FX-53, I've been reading reviews and tests of the 3500+/939. For me, video encoding and 3D rendering performance does take priority over gaming.

These 3 reviews cover a range of video encoding and 3D rendering applications:

Tech Report 3500+ review

Computer Base 3500+ review

THG 3500+ review

Please take a look at the links and results for yourself. To summarize, on average, the $346 3500+ performs between Intel's $162 2.8GHz and $252 3.2GHz Northwood chips in a wide range of encoding and 3D rendering applications.

From the Tech Report article:

If the 3500+ has a weakness, it's media encoding. There's no touching Intel's Pentium 4s when it comes to DivX video encoding.

...it's tough to recommend a Pentium 4 of any speed unless you spend the majority of your time encoding video or using multi-threaded apps that take advantage of Hyper-Threading's second virtual processor.

I concede the gaming crown, the Doom 3 crown and even the overall performance crown to the A64, but every test I have seen (including the AT reviews) show the A64 lagging behind in 3D rendering and video encoding price/performance.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Try to encode whatever you want in whatever format you feel using a commercial application (Ulead VideoStudio or Roxio videowave) and tell me what happens.... In fact, try to encode to DV (the most used
codec at consumer level because of digital camcorders) using Ulead and tell me who wins. The applications/codecs/containers where AMD beats intel in video encoding are 2:1 in favor of AMD. Obviously, when most of the internet sites show XMPEG encoding DivX you think the P4 is unstoppable. Do the same DivX encoding in DVD2AVI or virtualdubmod and tell me who wins...... If you encode DivX with XMPEG and MPEG with TMPGEnc, then the P4 is for you. If you use something different then the K8 is your solution.

Don't contribute to the myth that the P4 is better for media encoding because that is not true. It wins if the application if heavily optimized for SSE2/HT. Fortunately, most of the applications focus more on features than optimizations for the P4, so my K8 is unstopabble creating titles, adding transitions or layering clips. I will believe the P4 is better when it wins the majority of video encoding tasks, not just the XMPEG+DiVx or WM9..... But when it gets beaten encoding MPEG2 in CCE or encoding sorenson in quicktime or encoding Xvid in virtualdub then you know that is not the case.


Alex

You don't get it. I don't care if the apps *are* optimized for the P4 or not, I just care about the encoding time. I don't care about having fair benchmarks, I care about getting my encoding done. I don't use CCE, I use tmpenc which is heavily P4 optimized (I don't have the money to spend on CCE, maybe you do). If the apps I needed were all K8 optimized, then I'd use an A64 to do my encoding.

Also, I see you didn't care to comment on the 3DS and Lightwave benchies. I was replying to the post that the K8 is faster in all respects to the P4, which it clearly isn't. Most, yes; all, no.

With the replies on this board, you'd think that by proclaming anything other than that the A64 is the be-all and end-all CPU, you'd just raped their mother. :roll:

I think you are the one who doesn't get it..... you proclaimed that the P4 is better for video encoding, I told you "NO. It wins in some, but the majority of the video related products run better on AMD hardware .
However, with the narrow scope of the review sites showing only TMPGEnc and XMPEG you think the P4 is unstoppable (TMPGEnc is popular because it offers good features and quality for how cheap it is)

The majority of the user base will use the MPEG2 encoder provided with the retail package they get, and with the exception of Pinnacle Studio 9, ALL of the consumer level programs run faster on AMD (Ulead, Roxio, Sonic). So, for the common user AMD is faster.
Midrange? Only Adobe Premiere 7 runs faster on Intel. Ulead MediaStudioPro and Vegas Foundry run better on AMD hardware.

You are contradicting yourself, if you really care about encoding time you should have already tossed TMPGenc that is slow even in a prescott. As you are aware, CCE is almost 3 times faster than TMPGEnc on intel hardware, and even faster on AMD . Price? The light version costs the same than TMPGEnc. Quality? You should already know that CCE is the undisputed king in quality.
Even the Ulead.MPEG encoder in Video Studio 8 is quite faster than TMPGEnc while maintaining the same quality level.

Your post makes some sense though, as your CPU matches your application. But saying that your CPU is the best for that activity is wrong, and you know it.

3DS and similar programs even offer uneven results. In some tests of those programs the K8 wins. I don't care about those apps, but if you insist in workstation level programs then let's talk also about AutoCAD, solidworks, simulators and similar.

I have said this before No CPU is the ultimate, but we can pick the overall winner. Not even in the activity than one CPU "dominates" you can say it sweeps (For gaming, the K8 has never won quack 3) Don't lose perspective.