Don't think that it can happen to you?

[Orignal Earl]

I'd just take the law into my own hands at this point and get my own justice.

That's the thing that would worry me the most.
There's far too many spooky posters here, armed to the teeth and ready to shoot for the craziest reasons
(not you soulcougher )

 

[Victorian Gray]

Why do your post always have mistakes in them that have to be corrected?

Why do you support the gunning down of a 12 year old kid who wasn't a danger to anyone?

 

[The Merg]

The problem was the kid did not reach for his gun and the cop shot him within 2 seconds of exiting the patrol car.....
Cop wanted to kill somebody! Plain and simple~!

In the video, he lifts up his jacket exposing the gun and both his hands are in the area of his waistband.

According to the officer, he was reaching/pulling out the gun. Of course, you won't believe that since all cops lie. Yup, he went out that day thinking this is the day I get to shoot someone. Maybe it will even be a 12 year old kid.</s>

- Merg

 

[Victorian Gray]

In the video, he lifts up his jacket exposing the gun and both his hands are in the area of his waistband.

According to the officer, he was reaching/pulling out the gun. Of course, you won't believe that since all cops lie. Yup, he went out that day thinking this is the day I get to shoot someone. Maybe it will even be a 12 year old kid.</s>

- Merg

That would be this well trained and properly vetted officer, correct?

"Due to this dangerous loss of composure during live range training and his inability to manage this personal stress, I do not believe Ptl Loehmann shows the maturity needed to work in our employment,” Polak concludes. “For these reasons, I am recommending he be released from the employment of the city of Independence. I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...fatally-shot-tamir-rice-had-been-judged-unfit

Cleveland police: Officer Loehmann’s file from Independence police not reviewed before hiring

http://fox8.com/2014/12/03/independence-police-officer-in-tamir-rice-shooting-lacked-maturity-to-work-on-force/

The one who works for this department?

"Cleveland force accused of using excessive and unreasonable force in hundreds of cases as DoJ appoint independent monitor to oversee reforms"

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/04/cleveland-police-report-department-of-justice

Yep, keep blaming that 12 year old kid.

 

[Sunburn74]

Sounds like some wanna be tough guys picked a fight with some off-duty cops in a bar and then flipped out when they got their asses beat. There are no witnesses to corroborate any of their story, just a video without audio, and the word of the uniformed officers that they were screaming obscenities at the off-duty cops when they rolled onto the scene.

I think one of those tough guys is a cancer researcher. The other is a PhD historian.

 

[nixium]

It realistic to think that the odds are quite slim that you will have any negative interaction with the police. I'm 56 and I've had at least a dozen interactions with the police in the US (8 states), two in Canada, and one in Venezuela, none were negative or abusive in nature.

You think you're representative of all of the US?

Who the fuck cares about you? I'm glad for you that you've been a sheltered, law-abiding lickspittle all your life, but your personal example doesn't prove that there's nothing wrong in the police using dis-proportionate use of force and facing absolutely no consequences.

What about the thread where the old man got shot because of an overaggressive police force barging into the wrong house?

 

[nixium]

Okay. Fine.

I'll force myself to get all worked up, paranoid and fearful about cops...









...So now what?

Great! There's plenty.

1. GJ proceedings shouldn't be done in secret and their results, findings, everything should be available for public scrutiny (like for everyone else)

2. Have independent prosecutors doing the proceedings to break potential conflicts of interests with police unions.

3. Body cams, and training in de-esclation techniques with known non-violent offenders.

To start with.

 

[nixium]

Yep, he made it plain that Brown is part of his victim list, but you make a valid point. None of these people were singled out randomly or because of their skin color (although they may well get less latitude because of it) but that alone doesn't make what happened to them automatically acceptable. The anti-cop side insists on lumping them all together as victims; for us to lump them all together as non-victims is just as foolish, yet I indirectly did exactly that.

Still, my point was this: All the people we've been discussing did something non-random to start the confrontation. Even though the validity of the response varies (in my opinion) from reasonable to criminal, they were not selected randomly, nor were they selected just for being black. It's not as though I'm going to suddenly start pointing a pellet gun at people against my will, or find myself mysteriously having robbed a store, or punching a cop, or belligerently resisting arrest, because I know you can be totally right and still end up dead unless you handle yourself very calmly and peacefully. The concept that "this can happen to anybody" is simply wrong.

The no-knock warrant deaths can though, because sometimes they get the wrong house and see your TV remote as that heinous parking violator's Thompson.

The point is that the bar for starting the confrontation, and resulting disproprotionate force response, seems to get lower and lower.

 

[soulcougher73]

That's the thing that would worry me the most.
There's far too many spooky posters here, armed to the teeth and ready to shoot for the craziest reasons
(not you soulcougher )

Unfortunately i dont own a gun, but i do believe in justice when our so called actual justice wont dish it out

 

[Thebobo]

Here's my opinion. Police departments are hiring far too narrow of candidates. They all seem to be former military guys. They're employee's all have too similar backgrounds to be versatile.

Yep military folk do not automatically make good peace officers.

 

[Sonikku]

I had an encounter with a cop once. I was walking home on a day when the cold had developed an ultra thin deadly glaze of ice on the sidewalk and I kept slipping. Then a cop car pulled over. Surprisingly, he didn't deliver the police brutality beatdown of my life. He gave me a ride. :thumbsup: Had my skin been a darker shade however, I have no doubt I would be dead. :'(

 

[railer]

I had an encounter with a cop once. I was walking home on a day when the cold had developed an ultra thin deadly glaze of ice on the sidewalk and I kept slipping. Then a cop car pulled over. Surprisingly, he didn't deliver the police brutality beatdown of my life. He gave me a ride. :thumbsup: Had my skin been a darker shade however, I have no doubt I would be dead. :'(

Of course, because of the 800,000 or so police in the US, nearly all of them hate black or brown people for no reason at all, and normally just shoot them when they are encountered.

Duh.

No doubt there are plenty of meathead cops out there. Just like there are plenty of meathead people in general. I'll just go ahead and keep doing what i normally do - I won't assault police officers, I won't assault anyone else, I won't commit any felonies....and I can almost guarantee that the odds of me being sucked up in a tornado or struck by lightening are far greater than me ever being assaulted by a cop.

The rest of you knuckleheads keep raging on over the internet......that will help.

 

[JEDIYoda]

According to the officer, he was reaching/pulling out the gun. Of course, you won't believe that since all cops lie. Yup, he went out that day thinking this is the day I get to shoot someone. Maybe it will even be a 12 year old kid.</s>

The child did not reach for his toy gun...raising his shirt....is not reaching for hid gun....the officer shot the kid in less than 2 seconds after the patrol car stopped...hmmm.....Plus the officer had a history of....hmmm

 

[JEDIYoda]

Do not click on the above link...it will direct you to a porn website.....

 

[DigDog]

few years back one of my friends was driving in to boston college campus; his friend in the passenger seat had a toy, red colored, alien-blaster-shaped, transparent plastic squirt gun. the kind you have at the beach.

he was messing around and making pewpew sounds with it.

apparently some ol'lady saw it and thought it was a real gun. she called campus police and they in turn called the real police.

police showed up a few minutes later, found them (no plastic toy in sight afaik), dragged them out of their car, threw them on the ground, handcuffed them from behind, and arrested them. they were then questioned if they had guns, they said no, after which the police found the toy, and took them to the police station.

they were both charged with making a disturbance and advised to plead guilty or face jail.
(they both took the plea. my friend was given 200 !! hours of community service, raking leaves on a local police station)

 

[The Merg]

The child did not reach for his toy gun...raising his shirt....is not reaching for hid gun....the officer shot the kid in less than 2 seconds after the patrol car stopped...hmmm.....Plus the officer had a history of....hmmm

And you can without doubt see that on then video one way or the other? You must have some crazy video enhancing equipment. Can you please post that enhanced video?

- Merg

 

[Blanky]

Yep military folk do not automatically make good peace officers.

I actually think they make worse ones. Their first real job is one in which they are trained to kill and deal with enemies.

The police in the US are totally out of control.

 

[Sunburn74]

Great! There's plenty.
2. Have independent prosecutors doing the proceedings to break potential conflicts of interests with police unions.

I second this. The problem is that its very hard to find truly independent prosecutors. Most prosecutors work closely with police departments and simply bringing in a prosecutor from an outside department, doesn't really severe the inherent conflict of interest that exists (instead of your brother being the prosecutor, now its your cousin). This is true even with federal prosecutors. At the end of the day the issue is there just is no political incentive to chase down these cases. If you do, you appear to be soft on crime, which doesn't play well with the voters. I think voters have to first change their opinion on crime and police privileges (something that is happening currently with the current protests about a number of high profile cases) before we see real traction on the matter.

 

[Blanky]

I second this. The problem is that its very hard to find truly independent prosecutors. Most prosecutors work closely with police departments and simply bringing in a prosecutor from an outside department, doesn't really severe the inherent conflict of interest that exists (instead of your brother being the prosecutor, now its your cousin). This is true even with federal prosecutors. At the end of the day the issue is there just is no political incentive to chase down these cases. If you do, you appear to be soft on crime, which doesn't play well with the voters. I think voters have to first change their opinion on crime and police privileges (something that is happening currently with the current protests about a number of high profile cases) before we see real traction on the matter.

I think the conflict of interest is an essential problem here. I really think there needs to be a federal group akin to the FBI, that does nothing but prosecute police and judges.

 

[halik]

13 for 13 for getting pulled over while speeding and receiving a warning since 2003. By white cops, black cops, female cops and one asian dude. No felonies, no attitude, no keeping it real, no issue. Respect begets respect.

Actually my most recent police encounter, I had a guy ticketed for hitting my car and leaving me parked in (literally his front bumper pushing into mine, total wise and beautiful woman move).

Out of nowhere this skinny white dude runs over huffing and puffing about people parking on the street in front of his house, how he can't find a place to park and how the cop should have them all ticketed (public parking till 6pm). Cops tells him he can call the meter fairies, but he's handling the accident right now. The lanky white dude goes off on a tirade about how much he pays for property taxes and the cops salary and storms off with "oh please don't get out of the car, thanks for the fuck you", only to come back a minute later asking for his badge number.

I can see how fuckwits like that bitch about bad police encounters; I was just blown away you'd talk to a stranger in that manner, especially if you're trying to get him to do something for you.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

13 for 13 for getting pulled over while speeding and receiving a warning since 2003. By white cops, black cops, female cops and one asian dude. No felonies, no attitude, no keeping it real, no issue. Respect begets respect.

My experience has been pretty much the same. Got pulled over last year because the trailer lights weren't working. Provided the officer my license/CHL and informed him I was carrying concealed per Texas law. He requested that I place the pistol in plain view so I slowly removed it (still in the holster) and placed it on my dash. After he explained why he pulled me over I asked if I could get out and check the wiring connections, discovered that the wire had chafed and grounded out. Officer's car remained behind the trailer to serve as a hazard warning until I had fixed the wiring issue/replaced the fuse. Thanked him for letting me know/allowing me to fix the issue, got back in the car and went on my way. No ticket was issued.

 

[Thebobo]

My experience has been pretty much the same. Got pulled over last year because the trailer lights weren't working. Provided the officer my license/CHL and informed him I was carrying concealed per Texas law. He requested that I place the pistol in plain view so I slowly removed it (still in the holster) and placed it on my dash. After he explained why he pulled me over I asked if I could get out and check the wiring connections, discovered that the wire had chafed and grounded out. Officer's car remained behind the trailer to serve as a hazard warning until I had fixed the wiring issue/replaced the fuse. Thanked him for letting me know/allowing me to fix the issue, got back in the car and went on my way. No ticket was issued.

Is this your vehicle?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Nope but don't let that stop you from posting stupid crap.

 

[Zaap]

Great! There's plenty.

1. GJ proceedings shouldn't be done in secret and their results, findings, everything should be available for public scrutiny (like for everyone else)

2. Have independent prosecutors doing the proceedings to break potential conflicts of interests with police unions.

3. Body cams, and training in de-esclation techniques with known non-violent offenders.

To start with.

Great, so all of us acting paranoid and recalcitrant when we encounter cops will help bring about all of this?

 

[shira]

I'm not surprised at all at this story. Such stories counteract the assertion that that there are only a few bad apples in uniform.

How does this story establish that there are MORE than a few bad apples in uniform? This story adds exactly TWO to the count of bad apples.