Don't think that it can happen to you?

[Victorian Gray]

Be honest about the situation.

Ok, waving a toy gun around well before the police arrived on the scene. When the police arrived on the scene, behaving as if they were storming Normandy beach, they shot the 12 year old child who, at the time of his shooting, was carrying his toy gun in the waist of his pants.

 

[Meghan54]

OP has an issue with 12 year old children being gunned down by the police as well as issues with situations like this thread is about.

You should really add gunned down by a cop who was previously deemed unfit for service as a cop.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You should really add gunned down by a cop who was previously deemed unfit for service as a cop.

Oops. Thanks for remembering that one.

 

[OverVolt]

Unbunch ur bloomers and get some circulation going again.

 

[OverVolt]

Ok, waving a toy gun around well before the police arrived on the scene. When the police arrived on the scene, behaving as if they were storming Normandy beach, they shot the 12 year old child who, at the time of his shooting, was carrying his toy gun in the waist of his pants.

Sorry dude its not even worth arguing. Cops have been cleared to shoot people reaching for fake guns since forever.

There is no way to tell if its real or fake in that instant that requires you to react. You listen to police commands, end of story. If you have some kind of grievance with the police you work it out with them after you are detained.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sorry dude its not even worth arguing. Cops have been cleared to shoot people reaching for fake guns since forever.

There is no way to tell if its real or fake in that instant that requires you to react. You listen to police commands, end of story. If you have some kind of grievance with the police you work it out with them after you are detained.

And tug your forelock every time you see a police officer?

 

[cubby1223]

I wonder why Chicago is one of the cities fiercely against gun ownership...

 

[werepossum]

I place the odds of this happening along the lines of getting struck by lightning or winning the lottery.

This. The idea that Michael Brown was randomly targeted (or targeted because of his skin color) after robbing a store and punching a cop is too lame to even ride the short bus.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Here's my opinion. Police departments are hiring far too narrow of candidates. They all seem to be former military guys. They're employee's all have too similar backgrounds to be versatile.

 

[Victorian Gray]

This. The idea that Michael Brown was randomly targeted (or targeted because of his skin color) after robbing a store and punching a cop is too lame to even ride the short bus.

Did you read the link? It's nothing to do with Brown or even race and police.

 

[cubby1223]

Did you read the link? It's nothing to do with Brown or even race and police.

The author did mention Ferguson near the end of the article.

Even if a case makes it into court, the odds continue to be stacked against the victims of police brutality. This can be seen in the biases of judges and other decision makers in the justice system, or in the gross warping of normal legal processes, as we recently saw in Ferguson.

But this is exactly the issue I wrote out in one of the other threads. So much was made of Ferguson that to most people it drowned out the other, legitimate stories out there.

 

[werepossum]

The author did mention Ferguson near the end of the article.

But this is exactly the issue I wrote out in one of the other threads. So much was made of Ferguson that to most people it drowned out the other, legitimate stories out there.

Yep, he made it plain that Brown is part of his victim list, but you make a valid point. None of these people were singled out randomly or because of their skin color (although they may well get less latitude because of it) but that alone doesn't make what happened to them automatically acceptable. The anti-cop side insists on lumping them all together as victims; for us to lump them all together as non-victims is just as foolish, yet I indirectly did exactly that.

Still, my point was this: All the people we've been discussing did something non-random to start the confrontation. Even though the validity of the response varies (in my opinion) from reasonable to criminal, they were not selected randomly, nor were they selected just for being black. It's not as though I'm going to suddenly start pointing a pellet gun at people against my will, or find myself mysteriously having robbed a store, or punching a cop, or belligerently resisting arrest, because I know you can be totally right and still end up dead unless you handle yourself very calmly and peacefully. The concept that "this can happen to anybody" is simply wrong.

The no-knock warrant deaths can though, because sometimes they get the wrong house and see your TV remote as that heinous parking violator's Thompson.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The author did mention Ferguson near the end of the article.

That's nice.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Sorry dude its not even worth arguing. Cops have been cleared to shoot people reaching for fake guns since forever.

There is no way to tell if its real or fake in that instant that requires you to react. You listen to police commands, end of story. If you have some kind of grievance with the police you work it out with them after you are detained.

The problem was the kid did not reach for his gun and the cop shot him within 2 seconds of exiting the patrol car.....
Cop wanted to kill somebody! Plain and simple~!

 

[Nebor]

Sounds like some wanna be tough guys picked a fight with some off-duty cops in a bar and then flipped out when they got their asses beat. There are no witnesses to corroborate any of their story, just a video without audio, and the word of the uniformed officers that they were screaming obscenities at the off-duty cops when they rolled onto the scene.

 

[HeXen]

I'm white, well spoken, polite, dressed approprately..etc. Cops smile when they are around me. Never had a problem but of course cops are just regular people and are subject to the mental discrepancies that anyone else is. It comes down to your odds of encountering such people or bringing those negative traits out in them.

I'm sure if I shoved some drugs in a sock and stuffed it up my ass as a cop watches me and try to lie or talk stupid...then I'm sure I'll come across a tired cop that's sick of dealing with ghetto people and receive a beat down.

I know when people come up to me and talk all ghetto or can't wear clothes that match, mumble or slur their words, have odd mannerism's or behaviors like holding their crotch or ...well any of that crap then my attitude changes immediately...can't help it. There is a certain way to behave in public, don't like it move to Russia or something.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm white, well spoken, polite, dressed approprately..etc. Cops smile when they are around me. Never had a problem but of course cops are just regular people and are subject to the mental discrepancies that anyone else is. It comes down to your odds of encountering such people or bringing those negative traits out in them.

I'm sure if I shoved some drugs in a sock and stuffed it up my ass as a cop watches me and try to lie or talk stupid...then I'm sure I'll come across a tired cop that's sick of dealing with ghetto people and receive a beat down.

I know when people come up to me and talk all ghetto or can't wear clothes that match, mumble or slur their words, have odd mannerism's or behaviors like holding their crotch or ...well any of that crap then my attitude changes immediately...can't help it. There is a certain way to behave in public, don't like it move to Russia or something.

Exactly. If you can't act normal, and I will determine what that is, you should be shot. And the first rule of normal is to do something about that awful black skin color. It makes people automatically judgmental and that's not their fault. We can't help it, we're programmed bigot machines. Don't like it, march on TV and try to change brain-dead indifference.

 

[MrPickins]

Sounds like some wanna be tough guys picked a fight with some off-duty cops in a bar and then flipped out when they got their asses beat. There are no witnesses to corroborate any of their story, just a video without audio, and the word of the uniformed officers that they were screaming obscenities at the off-duty cops when they rolled onto the scene.

Seriously?

The video shows the guys on the ground as the police roll up. Instead of shouting obscenities, they were trying to shake off concussions.

Also, these "wanna be tough guys" are a couple of graduate students...

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Exactly. If you can't act normal, and I will determine what that is, you should be shot. And the first rule of normal is to do something about that awful black skin color. It makes people automatically judgmental and that's not their fault. We can't help it, we're programmed bigot machines. Don't like it, march on TV and try to change brain-dead indifference.

Lay off of him. He's a special snowflake.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Sounds like some wanna be tough guys picked a fight with some off-duty cops in a bar and then flipped out when they got their asses beat. There are no witnesses to corroborate any of their story, just a video without audio, and the word of the uniformed officers that they were screaming obscenities at the off-duty cops when they rolled onto the scene.

These people might be able to help you with your reading comprehension skills

http://www.marshalladulteducation.org/reading-skills-for-todays-adult

 

[Jeff7]

I place the odds of this happening along the lines of getting struck by lightning or winning the lottery.

But we had one final victory: We got the city to delete their usual full-gag-order contingency clause, which would have barred us from discussing the case publicly in any form with anyone. This has allowed us to speak out about what happened to us.

I wonder how many cases (not just corrupt police) end up with something like this, prohibiting anyone from talking about what's happened to them? You're screwed either way: Go into debt for life to pay the legal fees, win or lose, or permit the corruption to continue entirely unchecked.

Do you use the same reasoning about crime?

No one's ever broken into my car, should I leave it unlocked?
I've never been mugged or robbed, should I assume that that will never happen?

And heck, I've never been in a car accident, nor have I had a heart attack.
Guess I'm 100% safe too.

 

[Nebor]

I'm white, well spoken, polite, dressed approprately..etc. Cops smile when they are around me. Never had a problem but of course cops are just regular people and are subject to the mental discrepancies that anyone else is. It comes down to your odds of encountering such people or bringing those negative traits out in them.

I'm sure if I shoved some drugs in a sock and stuffed it up my ass as a cop watches me and try to lie or talk stupid...then I'm sure I'll come across a tired cop that's sick of dealing with ghetto people and receive a beat down.

I know when people come up to me and talk all ghetto or can't wear clothes that match, mumble or slur their words, have odd mannerism's or behaviors like holding their crotch or ...well any of that crap then my attitude changes immediately...can't help it. There is a certain way to behave in public, don't like it move to Russia or something.

This. Even before I became a reserve police officer, I never had issues with cops because I know how to behave around people. If you know for a fact that someone can legally beat, taze or shoot you and face no repercussions, why in the world would you show them anything but the utmost respect?

 

[Newell Steamer]

Oh yeah, this is a legitimate case of police brutality and abuse.

Looks like a couple of meatheads started trouble and then asked their "brotherhood" to mop up the mess.

Everything else posted on these forums is defacto abuse, if a police officer was involved - regardless of the facts and reality of the situation.

 

[BoberFett]

Ok, waving a realistic toy gun around well before the police arrived on the scene. When the police arrived on the scene, approaching an individual who was previously waving what was thought to be a real gun around, they shot the person who was waving a realistic gun around who, at the time of his shooting, was carrying his realistic toy gun in the waist of his pants.

Why do your post always have mistakes in them that have to be corrected?

 

[soulcougher73]

I'd just take the law into my own hands at this point and get my own justice.