Don't talk bad about Russia...

BarneyFife

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WASHINGTON - FBI agents say they are assisting police in suburban Washington who are investigating the shooting of a Russian expert ? a man who spoke out on "Dateline NBC" last weekend and strongly suggested that remnants of the KGB were responsible for the bizarre poisoning death of Alexander Litvinenko.

The Russian expert, Paul Joyal, was shot Thursday night as he got out of his car in front of his house in Adelphi, Md. Investigators in Prince Georges County say a witness claims to have seen two men running away after the shooting. Joyal remains hospitalized with a gunshot wound to the midsection. Authorities have not said whether they've been able to talk to him.

In an odd twist, another person who appeared on the "Dateline" broadcast died of a heart attack last month. Reporter Daniel McGrory of the Times of London, who has written about the Litvinenko case, died Feb. 20, before the "Dateline" segment was broadcast. He was 54.


Is this just a coincidence that both people who appeared on a Dateline NBC show about Russia are now dead? I think not.
 

gevorg

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I guess Boris Berezovsky strikes his filth against Putin again. Gotta do something with those billion$.
 

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17424538/

Pete Williams
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WASHINGTON - FBI agents say they are assisting police in suburban Washington who are investigating the shooting of a Russian expert ? a man who spoke out on "Dateline NBC" last weekend and strongly suggested that remnants of the KGB were responsible for the bizarre poisoning death of Alexander Litvinenko.

The Russian expert, Paul Joyal, was shot Thursday night as he got out of his car in front of his house in Adelphi, Md. Investigators in Prince Georges County say a witness claims to have seen two men running away after the shooting. Joyal remains hospitalized with a gunshot wound to the midsection. Authorities have not said whether they've been able to talk to him.

In an odd twist, another person who appeared on the "Dateline" broadcast died of a heart attack last month. Reporter Daniel McGrory of the Times of London, who has written about the Litvinenko case, died Feb. 20, before the "Dateline" segment was broadcast. He was 54.


Is this just a coincidence that both people who appeared on a Dateline NBC show about Russia are now dead? I think not.



nah, check the records, they probably said something bad about cheney/clinton/bush/clinton too!
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Russia is getting worst and worst, Putin is a piece of sh!t.

But he has kept the economy roaring, so most Russians actually like him. His approval ratings are much higher than President Bush.
 

tomywishbone

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Those Russians are freakin' crazy. I hear next month they're going to bomb & invade some worthless country and kill the entire goverment. What lunatics!
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: MobileLoser
Originally posted by: ntdz
Russia is getting worst and worst, Putin is a piece of sh!t.

But he has kept the economy roaring, so most Russians actually like him. His approval ratings are much higher than President Bush.

So the more bloodthirsty the more popular?
 

babylon5

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I have Russian friend, they like Putin also....I cannot understand why they like Putin even though Russia now is more like a dictatorship
 

theeedude

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Yeah, because we all know noone gets shot in America unless they criticize Putin. This is so weak. You people will believe the worst about Putin, because he's not a drunk pushover like Yeltzin was.
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: babylon5
I have Russian friend, they like Putin also....I cannot understand why they like Putin even though Russia now is more like a dictatorship

Same reason Americans who lived through the Depression liked FDR.
If you lived through the 90s in Russia, you'd understand.
 

irishScott

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Saw a special on this a few hours ago. According to some "expert" I've never heard of, the Russian people (and with all the sh!t they've been through this is understandable) currently want order more than they want freedom. Thus they are willing to give up more than we are to achieve that order.
 
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Originally posted by: irishScott
Saw a special on this a few hours ago. According to some "expert" I've never heard of, the Russian people (and with all the sh!t they've been through this is understandable) currently want order more than they want freedom. Thus they are willing to give up more than we are to achieve that order.

Not surprising considering the system that most of the were raised on. Sad... but understandable.
 

KurskKnyaz

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Russian Who Reported on Chechnya Killed

Politkovskaya began reporting on Chechnya in 1999 during Russia's second military campaign there, concentrating less on military engagements than on the human side of the war. She wrote about the Chechen inhabitants of refugee camps and wounded Russian soldiers _ until she was banned from visiting the hospitals, said Oleg Panfilov, director of the Moscow-based Center for Journalism in Extreme Situations.

"Whenever the question arose whether there is honest journalism in Russia, almost every time the first name that came to mind was Politkovskaya," he said.

Politkovskaya had frequently received threats, Panfilov said. A few months ago, unknown assailants had tried unsuccessfully to break into a car her daughter, Vera, was driving, he said.

In 2001, she fled to Vienna, Austria, for several months after receiving e-mail threats alleging that a Russian police officer she had accused of committing atrocities against civilians was intent on revenge. The officer, Sergei Lapin, was detained in 2002 but the case against him was closed the following year.

"There are journalists who have this fate hanging over them. I always thought something would happen to Anya, first of all because of Chechnya," Panfilov said, referring to Politkovskaya by her nickname.

In 2004, she fell seriously ill with symptoms of food poisoning after drinking tea on a flight from Moscow to southern Russia during the school hostage crisis in Beslan. Her colleagues suspected the incident was an attempt on her life.

She was one of the few people to enter the Moscow theater where Chechen militants seized hundreds of hostages in October 2002 to try negotiating with the rebels. She later devoted much of her investigative reporting to that crisis, in which 129 victims died, the overwhelming majority succumbing to the gas used by special forces to knock out the hostage-takers.

"Anna was a hero to so many of us, and we'll miss her personally, but we'll also miss the information that she and only she was brave enough and dedicated enough to dig out and make public," said Joel Simon, executive director of the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists.

The 46-nation Council of Europe, a leading human rights watchdog whose executive body is currently led by Russia, called for her death to be investigated quickly and convincingly.

"We have all lost a strong voice of the kind which is indispensable in any genuine democracy," said the council's secretary general, Terry Davis.

Politkovskaya's murder is the highest-profile killing of a journalist in Russia since the July 2004 slaying of Paul Klebnikov, editor of the Russian edition of Forbes magazine.

Russia has become one of the deadliest countries for journalists. Twenty-three journalists were killed in Russia between 1996 and 2005, many in Chechnya, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. At least 12 have been murdered in contract-style killings since Putin came to power, Simon said.

"None of those have been adequately investigated," he said. "We do know that record creates an environment where those who might seek to carry out this murder would feel that there would be few likely consequences."

The intimidation and murder of 12 journalists in Russia in the past six years, including American citizen Paul Klebnikov on July 9, 2004 is an affront to free and independent media and to democratic values.

In addition to her daughter, Politkovskaya is survived by a son, Ilya, Panfilov said.

During her career, Politkovskaya received more than 10 awards and prizes, including an award for human rights reporting from the London-based Amnesty International; a freedom of speech award from the Paris-based watchdog Reporters Without Borders; and a journalism and democracy award from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.
 

CanOWorms

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It's obvious that Russia is being set up by the Europeans. Why would Russia participate in these killings when they are under such scrutiny? They're being set up. It's all about the energy.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
It's obvious that Russia is being set up by the Europeans. Why would Russia participate in these killings when they are under such scrutiny? They're being set up. It's all about the energy.

I hope thats sarcasm.