Don't say I didn't Warn You: "Scientists" now trying to say fast food is "addictive."

Amused

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Never again laugh when some body mentions the "slippery slope."

Is Fast Food Addictive?

LONDON Reuters (Jan. 29) - A steady diet of hamburgers, fries and foods high in fat and loaded with calories may not only pile on the pounds -- some scientists are now questioning if it could be addictive.

Researchers who have been testing the biological effects of fast foods are discovering they can trigger hormonal changes in the body that could make it difficult to control eating.

"New and potentially explosive findings on the biological effects of fast food suggest that eating yourself into obesity isn't simply down to a lack of self-control," New Scientist magazine said Wednesday.

Fast-food meals can deliver nearly the recommended daily calorie and fat intake in one meal. As people put on weight, they become more resistant to the hormone leptin, which is strongly linked to weight and appetite, and a brain peptide called galanin that stimulates eating.

Leptin releases signals to the part of the brain that coordinates eating behavior, but as people gain weight they become more resistant to the effects of the hormone.

"Their brain loses its ability to respond to these hormones as body fat increases," Michael Schwatz, an endocrinologist at the University of Washington in Seattle, told the magazine.

Animal studies by Sarah Leibowitz, at Rockefeller University in New York, have also shown that young rats fed a high-fat diet early in life grew up to be obese adults.

Researchers are also looking into whether bingeing on foods high in fat and sugar cause changes in the brain associated with addiction to drugs.

"Highly palatable foods and highly potent sexual stimuli are the only stimuli capable of activating the dopamine system with anywhere near the potency of addictive drugs," according to John Hoebel, a psychologist at Princeton University.

The magazine said other scientists argued there was no conclusive evidence that foods high in fat and sugar were addictive.

"Considering the paucity of evidence that fast food is addictive, I think the burden is on advocates of the addiction argument to provide evidence of addictiveness," said Michael Jacobson of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a lobby group in Washington.

 

NuclearFusi0n

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dont riducule them for researching
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Zim Hosein

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Great, maybe one day "scientist" will finally find something that isn't addictive :|

Amused, you think those that loss against McDonald's will use this for an appeal :p
 

BatmanNate

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Damnit, there goes my plan for world domination that involved exploiting fatties. Has everything been thought of already?
 

Chaotic42

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No laziness is addictive.

1950s

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Kid: Mom, can you cook me a well balanced meal filled with nutrients and calories that I will burn off since I spend a good 6 hours of my day outside playing?

Mom: Sure, honey.
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Now

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Kid: Mom... it's hard to move.... hand me the butter....
Mom: That's your 5th tub this hour, you need to catch up....
Kid: Let's go to McDonalds....
Mom: Hell, I'm not walking all the way to the car. Besides, I need to get it fixed, it keeps scraping the ground
Kid: You're right, let's order pizza, I don't want to not look at the TV
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Sorry, I'm really hyper now. Stupid grapefruit!

 

Amused

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Originally posted by: pulse8
I'd stop eating fast food if I could afford better food. :)

Actually, if you ate turkey or tuna or peanut butter sandwiches with fresh fruit (and steamed vegies with dinner), it would be as cheap, if not cheaper than two or three value meals a day. :)
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: gopunk
bwhahaha :D

i like the paranoid tone in your subject :p

Well, look at the trend. We tried blaming everything on alcohol, and even went so far as to ban it.

Then we blamed drugs for everything and banned those.

Then we blamed cigarettes for everything, and are now banning and suing those out of existence.

Now we are starting the same thing with food.

What do all of these have in common? They negate personal responsibility and common sense.

Paranoia? Nope, there really are people out there trying to take away our freedoms.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: pulse8
I'd stop eating fast food if I could afford better food. :)

Actually, if you ate turkey or tuna or peanut butter sandwiches with fresh fruit (and steamed vegies with dinner), it would be as cheap, if not cheaper than two or three value meals a day. :)

I don't eat 2 or 3 a day, but usually about 1 or so.

I could only stand eating turkey, tuna or peanut butter sandwiches for so long and if I did it your way, I'd actually have to make them. :p

On the bright side, however, I've got a high metabolism and I'm far from fat. :)

On the dark side, my family has a history of high blood pressure.

So as you see, it's got its pros and cons. :)
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: gopunk
bwhahaha :D

i like the paranoid tone in your subject :p

Well, look at the trend. We tried blaming everything on alcohol, and even went so far as to ban it.

Then we blamed drugs for everything and banned those.

Then we blamed cigarettes for everything, and are now banning and suing those out of existence.

Now we are starting the same thing with food.

What do all of these have in common? They negate personal responsibility and common sense.

Paranoia? Nope, there really are people out there trying to take away our freedoms.

yea yea, you're not paranoid, you're just perceptive :p

i agree for the most part, i'm just kidding you.
 

datalink7

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lol... it isn't addictive like they are saying it is(everything is addictive in some way or another). I've gone months where I ate at fast food many times a week, and I've gone months where I wanted to be healthy and didn't touch fast food at all. I didn't "crave" it while I quit, and quitting wasn't really that hard to do.

Idiots.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: gopunk
bwhahaha :D

i like the paranoid tone in your subject :p

Well, look at the trend. We tried blaming everything on alcohol, and even went so far as to ban it.

Then we blamed drugs for everything and banned those.

Then we blamed cigarettes for everything, and are now banning and suing those out of existence.

Now we are starting the same thing with food.

What do all of these have in common? They negate personal responsibility and common sense.

Paranoia? Nope, there really are people out there trying to take away our freedoms.

that isn't even remotely related to the experiment itself.

observations: people are getting fat
hypothesis: fast food makes people fat

that's all there is, lawyers and lawsuits doesn't come into place. All they're (scientists) trying to do is see if they can find a connection between fast food and health. Your argument is completely irrevalent to science.

On the other hand, yes, people negate personal responsibilities these days and this unhealthy part of the american culture is exporting to other countries as well.
 

NuclearFusi0n

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Originally posted by: datalink7
lol... it isn't addictive like they are saying it is(everything is addictive in some way or another). I've gone months where I ate at fast food many times a week, and I've gone months where I wanted to be healthy and didn't touch fast food at all. I didn't "crave" it while I quit, and quitting wasn't really that hard to do.

Idiots.
huge difference between physically addictive and phsycologically addictive.
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Amused
Never again laugh when some body mentions the "slippery slope."

Is Fast Food Addictive?

LONDON Reuters (Jan. 29) - A steady diet of hamburgers, fries and foods high in fat and loaded with calories may not only pile on the pounds -- some scientists are now questioning if it could be addictive.

Researchers who have been testing the biological effects of fast foods are discovering they can trigger hormonal changes in the body that could make it difficult to control eating.

"New and potentially explosive findings on the biological effects of fast food suggest that eating yourself into obesity isn't simply down to a lack of self-control," New Scientist magazine said Wednesday.

Fast-food meals can deliver nearly the recommended daily calorie and fat intake in one meal. As people put on weight, they become more resistant to the hormone leptin, which is strongly linked to weight and appetite, and a brain peptide called galanin that stimulates eating.

Leptin releases signals to the part of the brain that coordinates eating behavior, but as people gain weight they become more resistant to the effects of the hormone.

"Their brain loses its ability to respond to these hormones as body fat increases," Michael Schwatz, an endocrinologist at the University of Washington in Seattle, told the magazine.

Animal studies by Sarah Leibowitz, at Rockefeller University in New York, have also shown that young rats fed a high-fat diet early in life grew up to be obese adults.

Researchers are also looking into whether bingeing on foods high in fat and sugar cause changes in the brain associated with addiction to drugs.

"Highly palatable foods and highly potent sexual stimuli are the only stimuli capable of activating the dopamine system with anywhere near the potency of addictive drugs," according to John Hoebel, a psychologist at Princeton University.

The magazine said other scientists argued there was no conclusive evidence that foods high in fat and sugar were addictive.

"Considering the paucity of evidence that fast food is addictive, I think the burden is on advocates of the addiction argument to provide evidence of addictiveness," said Michael Jacobson of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a lobby group in Washington.

You make this out to be some sort of ridiculing argument... lemme guess... you are fat...

Sugar and highly processed carbs are addictive to some individuals... that is why you prefer white bread...

And if you knew ANYTHING about real nutrition, you would have kept your mouth shut... (or AFK)
 

KK

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Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
Originally posted by: datalink7
lol... it isn't addictive like they are saying it is(everything is addictive in some way or another). I've gone months where I ate at fast food many times a week, and I've gone months where I wanted to be healthy and didn't touch fast food at all. I didn't "crave" it while I quit, and quitting wasn't really that hard to do.

Idiots.
huge difference between physically addictive and phsycologically addictive.

Yeah phycologically addictive is for nutbags to use to get into lawsuits. How can you prove that someone isn't physcologically addictive, what a farce this is. If you say you are physcologically addictive then it's your own damn fault.

KK
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: SnapIT

You make this out to be some sort of ridiculing argument... lemme guess... you are fat...

Sugar and highly processed carbs are addictive to some individuals... that is why you prefer white bread...

And if you knew ANYTHING about real nutrition, you would have kept your mouth shut... (or AFK)

From what he's said, I'd say Amused is in the top 10% as far as healthy individuals around here.

 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: SnapIT

You make this out to be some sort of ridiculing argument... lemme guess... you are fat...

Sugar and highly processed carbs are addictive to some individuals... that is why you prefer white bread...

And if you knew ANYTHING about real nutrition, you would have kept your mouth shut... (or AFK)

From what he's said, I'd say Amused is in the top 10% as far as healthy individuals around here.

And you are the one who don't get it... i have been a competitive bb for more than ten years, yes, i kno what works an what does not...
 

dafatha00

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Fvck that. I can't eat McDonalds or Burger King more than once a year. But Del Taco might be addictive. I think they put crack in their food or something.
 

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ill tell you why people get fat ......they can afford it

in poor 3rd world countries you notice you never see fat people? they cant afford it

so i have the solution everyone that is fat that wants to be thin should give all there money away to sombody ...i dont know who (hum) me

ive never seen a fat person on cnn in war torn ruwanda
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: SnapIT

And you are the one who don't get it... i have been a competitive bb for more than ten years, yes, i kno what works an what does not...

I just said that Amused was healthy. Laziness *is* addictive.

 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: SnapIT

And you are the one who don't get it... i have been a competitive bb for more than ten years, yes, i kno what works an what does not...

I just said that Amused was healthy. Laziness *is* addictive.

wow, and you are liek smrt and stuf... ( i know how to spell)
 

Amused

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Snap, I'm 35 years old, 6 foot, 180 lbs, and pretty well built. I recently lost 25-30 lbs (and an estimated 50-60 lbs of fat) by simply getting out from behind my desk and off my couch and exercising. My waste size went from 35" to 31". In fact, my calorie intake has actually DOUBLED since I started. My workout weight with the bench press is now 220 lbs. When I started, I could barely get up 90 lbs.

I'd say I'm pretty far from fat. Although I still do have a little bit left in a doughnut around my waist, but no one seems to notice it but me. :eek: Even the trainers at my local gym tell me it's hardly noticable and you can see the majority of my abs except right below my belly button.

Your argument against me is as pathetic as me being called a i love you for defending gays, a smoker for defending the rights of businesses to allow smoking, and a druggie for bashing the failed War on Drugs.

FOOD is not the main cause of American's weight problem. Inactivity is. Our weight peoblem has grown with the internet, number of TV channels, and video games.

No, Snap, I'm not fat. I do, however, hate pathetic excuses. Labeling food as "addictive" is just another excuse in our culture of pathetic victims looking for an excuse to be fat.