Don't mean to start another Iraq thread but this is pretty atrocious

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

why are you posting if you only have stupid things to say?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper

Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

Ummm....we're going to be targeting military targets - military vehicles, military installations, military personnel....not innocent people

You actually think no innocent people will die? That's uhh, pretty funny.

There's A HUGE difference between targeting valid military objectives and having the very unfortunate side effect of innocents dying and PURPOSEFULLY targeting innocent civilians. If you think the U.S. truly does not care about avoiding civilian casualties at all costs, why the hell does our military spend countless millions of dollars on researching, developing, and producing precision-guided weapons and why the hell does Saddam favor using human shields?

But you know for a fact that thousands of Iraqis will die from our bombs. Our "shock and awe" plan will send 3000 bombs in the first 2 days of the war.
The lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are worth it though, right??

Let me tell you a little story, maybe this will get through your thick skull. Once upon a time there was a very bad man named Hitler who was responsible for things just as bad as what happened to this woman, and on a much larger scale than Saddam could ever dream of. In order to help keep these bad things from happening to any more people, hundreds of thousands of Americans and millions of Europeans died, many of them civilians. The allied governments knew that a war with Hitler would result in the deaths of many innocent people, yet they went ahead anyway to help a much larger group of people.

That is what you are obviously missing. You are only seeing one side of it, that many innocent people will die. But would it be better to do nothing and let a much greater number suffer and die under the rule of Saddam? You cannot simply say, "well innocent people will die, so it is bad". That makes you look stupid. Just like everything else in life, everything is part of something else. Yes, innocent people will die, but if we can save more women from such torture, it will be worth it.

If you cannot understand that, then I suggest you talk to a holocaust survivor and ask them if they would have prefered if the allies had simply let Hitler do what he wanted because they were afraid of innocent people dying. The irony of such a suggestion obviously escapes you, and for that reason I feel sorry for you.

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Eight hungry children?

Sorry, but you gotta stick stupid where stupid starts.

Bastard. :|

 

[nutxo]

No matter how much we debate, no matter which side we are on, lets just hope that if it happens let it end quickly.

Although I dont totally agree with our government on many things Id rather call The United States of America my home than any other place in the world (and unlike many of you I have seen a great deal of this planet).
My love for my country is unconditional, like the love a person feels for thier mother. As I see my fellow Americans excersise thier "freedom of speech" and espouse thier hatred for our elected President I am sickened by the animosity I feel toward the cowards and socialists that seem to lead the tirade.I am angered that many people that know absolutely nothing about the real world think they know sh*t.

Beyond that I am at a loss for words.

 

[Jittles]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper

Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

Ummm....we're going to be targeting military targets - military vehicles, military installations, military personnel....not innocent people

You actually think no innocent people will die? That's uhh, pretty funny.

There's A HUGE difference between targeting valid military objectives and having the very unfortunate side effect of innocents dying and PURPOSEFULLY targeting innocent civilians. If you think the U.S. truly does not care about avoiding civilian casualties at all costs, why the hell does our military spend countless millions of dollars on researching, developing, and producing precision-guided weapons and why the hell does Saddam favor using human shields?

But you know for a fact that thousands of Iraqis will die from our bombs. Our "shock and awe" plan will send 3000 bombs in the first 2 days of the war.
The lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are worth it though, right??

Let me tell you a little story, maybe this will get through your thick skull. Once upon a time there was a very bad man named Hitler who was responsible for things just as bad as what happened to this woman, and on a much larger scale than Saddam could ever dream of. In order to help keep these bad things from happening to any more people, hundreds of thousands of Americans and millions of Europeans died, many of them civilians. The allied governments knew that a war with Hitler would result in the deaths of many innocent people, yet they went ahead anyway to help a much larger group of people.

That is what you are obviously missing. You are only seeing one side of it, that many innocent people will die. But would it be better to do nothing and let a much greater number suffer and die under the rule of Saddam? You cannot simply say, "well innocent people will die, so it is bad". That makes you look stupid. Just like everything else in life, everything is part of something else. Yes, innocent people will die, but if we can save more women from such torture, it will be worth it.

If you cannot understand that, then I suggest you talk to a holocaust survivor and ask them if they would have prefered if the allies had simply let Hitler do what he wanted because they were afraid of innocent people dying. The irony of such a suggestion obviously escapes you, and for that reason I feel sorry for you.

WELL SAID.

First, with regards to the eight children comments, you people are incredibly ethnocentric. Open your eyes.

There is no 'right' way out of this situation. Innocent people WILL DIE EITHER WAY, but there are times in life when you must face ALL the facts and choose the lesser of two evils. You can go on saying "blah blah blah we will kill innocent people" That is going to happen either way.

The way I look at it, if we launched a missile into a MILITARY bunker that we saw a MILITARY target hide in, and SADDAM packed innocent civilians in there, SADDAM killed those innocent people.
So we should just let them go about their production of WMD and chemical/biological agents and drones to distribute them because God forbid we accidentally kill a tiny amount of innocent people to stop them. BUT OH WAIT THEY DON'T DO THAT BAD STUFF CUZ WE DIDN'T FIND IT.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. We have to choose the lesser of two evils.

Undoubtedly I will get some smart ass comment from Moonbeam or Red Dawn or somebody else being an ass. Go for it. Do your best. Nothing I can say will change your mind and once the war is over, you will still firmly say that war was not the best way, because we don't know how bad it could have been had we done nothing.


EDIT: I fully support our troops, one of my very good friends from 2nd - 12th grade graduates from USMC boot camp at the end of March. I will be there in California to see it. Should I be called to duty, I would gladly serve. I would not do like most of my dormmates say and run to Canada or whatever. I am proud to be an American.

One more thing, I also support your right to protest the war. Somebody on Fark I think posted a picture... I need to find it, it was a quote from Teddy Roosevelt. I'll post it as soon as I find it.

edit2: Here it is: Text

 

[tk149]

1. My sympathies for the Kurdish woman. She will never ever make a 100% physical and psychological recovery from this, and her children will probably starve to death. 🙁

2. Those Iraqi soldiers responsible for this crime make me wish I believed in Hell.

3. Some of the responses in this thread once again reaffirm my belief that select members of ATOT are really effing stupid, ignorant, insensitive jerks. I really don't understand how you people can be either the end result of 500 million years of evolution or the creation of a divine being. :| Not unless evolution or God have a seriously sick sense of humor.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: tk149
1. My sympathies for the Kurdish woman. She will never ever make a 100% physical and psychological recovery from this, and her children will probably starve to death. 🙁

2. Those Iraqi soldiers responsible for this crime make me wish I believed in Hell.

3. Some of the responses in this thread once again reaffirm my belief that select members of ATOT are really effing stupid, ignorant, insensitive jerks. I really don't understand how you people can be either the end result of 500 million years of evolution or the creation of a divine being. :| Not unless evolution or God have a seriously sick sense of humor.

Close. Try the poster having a sick sense of humor. And a sick sense of seriousness. Heck sick in the head period. Effing stupid, ignorant and insensitive don't even begin to describe someone who places the blame on the victim. Twisted, perhaps would be fitting.

Here's hoping the Iraqi soldiers get what's coming to them, and not innocent civilians.

 

[InFecTed]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: jahawkin Of course innocent people will die. Lots of them. But its all for the security of the US.

Again...

I can tell you're one of those types that no matter how things are explained, you will stick to your simple-minded one-liners and biased opinions. War is hell...no one argues that. But to remove Saddam from power and free the Iraqi population from tyranny will have many more benefits than allowing the Iraqis to suffer decades more of torture and repression.

So you basically think the war is intended to free the Iraqi population from tyranny

I don't like Saddam, I don't like Iraq, but this war will be so wrong. Without UN support Bush is indeed an agressor, no mather what those brainwashers at CNN are telling you. I've supported the US force in the Kuwait liberation with all my hearth, but not now.

 

[DigitalLove]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper

Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

Ummm....we're going to be targeting military targets - military vehicles, military installations, military personnel....not innocent people

You actually think no innocent people will die? That's uhh, pretty funny.

There's A HUGE difference between targeting valid military objectives and having the very unfortunate side effect of innocents dying and PURPOSEFULLY targeting innocent civilians. If you think the U.S. truly does not care about avoiding civilian casualties at all costs, why the hell does our military spend countless millions of dollars on researching, developing, and producing precision-guided weapons and why the hell does Saddam favor using human shields?

But you know for a fact that thousands of Iraqis will die from our bombs. Our "shock and awe" plan will send 3000 bombs in the first 2 days of the war.
The lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are worth it though, right??

Let me tell you a little story, maybe this will get through your thick skull. Once upon a time there was a very bad man named Hitler who was responsible for things just as bad as what happened to this woman, and on a much larger scale than Saddam could ever dream of. In order to help keep these bad things from happening to any more people, hundreds of thousands of Americans and millions of Europeans died, many of them civilians. The allied governments knew that a war with Hitler would result in the deaths of many innocent people, yet they went ahead anyway to help a much larger group of people.

That is what you are obviously missing. You are only seeing one side of it, that many innocent people will die. But would it be better to do nothing and let a much greater number suffer and die under the rule of Saddam? You cannot simply say, "well innocent people will die, so it is bad". That makes you look stupid. Just like everything else in life, everything is part of something else. Yes, innocent people will die, but if we can save more women from such torture, it will be worth it.

If you cannot understand that, then I suggest you talk to a holocaust survivor and ask them if they would have prefered if the allies had simply let Hitler do what he wanted because they were afraid of innocent people dying. The irony of such a suggestion obviously escapes you, and for that reason I feel sorry for you.

You're assuming that Sadam is a threat, which is totally untrue. Get THAT through your thick skull.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How are the people who threw gas on her and lit her different than people who waht to know why she has 8 kids. Both are equally dead to the horror of their actions.

My sentiments also.