Don't mean to start another Iraq thread but this is pretty atrocious

Queasy

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Agony of mother set ablaze by Iraqis
By Julius Strauss
(Filed: 07/03/2003)


Shortly after three o'clock on a hot afternoon 37-year-old Nazif Mamik Tofik, an Iraqi Kurd, approached the border post carrying two five-gallon canisters of fuel.

She hoped to cross to the Kurdish-controlled side and sell them for a pound or two, which would help feed her eight hungry children.

Nazif Mamik Tofik whimpers with pain in Sulaimania hospital
As she stepped up to the Iraqi checkpoint, a military policeman suddenly pulled a knife, slashed open the flimsy plastic containers and splashed petrol all over her.

Then the head of the Iraqi border guard casually walked up to her, pulled a lighter from his pocket and set her ablaze. Soaked in fuel, she began to burn like a torch. That was on Monday afternoon. Yesterday Nazif lay in Sulaimania emergency hospital, on the Iraqi side, whimpering with pain. She had third degree burns and doctors said she was lucky to be alive.

A packet of blood hung on a metal stand above her ravaged body. The drip was inserted into her neck as her lower arms were too badly burnt to put it into her wrist. To ease the pain bedclothes would have caused, an aluminium cage had been placed over her body and covered by a blanket.

In a faltering voice, she said: "They said absolutely nothing, just looked at me with hatred. Then they set me alight. My whole body was in flames. I can't describe the pain.

"If it wasn't for an old man who smothered me with his coat I would have burnt alive.
 

brxndxn

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Eight hungry children?

Sorry, but you gotta stick stupid where stupid starts.
 

SOSTrooper

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Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?


Maybe at one point she could, but then had to flee due to persecution.

Better question, why did the soldiers have to set her on fire?

Get your head out of your a$$.

 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

Ummm....we're going to be targeting military targets - military vehicles, military installations, military personnel....not innocent people
 

Spoooon

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
Eight hungry children?

Sorry, but you gotta stick stupid where stupid starts.

I doubt it's her fault. I wonder how available contraceptives are over there? Where is her husband? Stick stupid where stupid starts, sure, but it starts with the man who got her pregnant.
 

BoberFett

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It would certainly be easier to take care of 8 children if you weren't being set on fire by soldiers.
 

Sundog

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?


Maybe at one point she could, but then had to flee due to persecution.

Better question, why did the soldiers have to set her on fire?

Get your head out of your a$$.

 

Beau

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Originally posted by: Spoooon
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Eight hungry children?

Sorry, but you gotta stick stupid where stupid starts.

I doubt it's her fault. I wonder how available contraceptives are over there? Where is her husband? Stick stupid where stupid starts, sure, but it starts with the man who got her pregnant.

I doubt contreceptives are available. Even if they are, does their religion allow them?
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Spoooon
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Eight hungry children?

Sorry, but you gotta stick stupid where stupid starts.

I doubt it's her fault. I wonder how available contraceptives are over there? Where is her husband? Stick stupid where stupid starts, sure, but it starts with the man who got her pregnant.

Having many children is common in poor, rural areas where this lady is obviously from. but...

Has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on what those poor excuses for human beings did to her.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Wake the f*ck up, people.

First, women are treated like property in many parts of the Middle East.
Second, birth control is probably non-existent in those households.
Third, you wind up with women with many children.

I'm sure I'm extrapolating here but you get the general idea.

Take the blinders off, you might learn a little.
 

jahawkin

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

Ummm....we're going to be targeting military targets - military vehicles, military installations, military personnel....not innocent people

But surly some of our intelligence will be stale, so we'll end up bombing some apartment buildings and hospitals. Our plan of "shock and awe" will kill thousands of civilians. Don't worry, its just collateral damage.
 

SOSTrooper

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

Ummm....we're going to be targeting military targets - military vehicles, military installations, military personnel....not innocent people

You actually think no innocent people will die? That's uhh, pretty funny.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

rolleye.gif


Yeah, that's it. The U.S. and Britain are out to bomb poor innocent women and children, not the military installations.
 

Spoooon

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Spoooon
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Eight hungry children?

Sorry, but you gotta stick stupid where stupid starts.

I doubt it's her fault. I wonder how available contraceptives are over there? Where is her husband? Stick stupid where stupid starts, sure, but it starts with the man who got her pregnant.

Having many children is common in poor, rural areas where this lady is obviously from. but...

Has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on what those poor excuses for human beings did to her.

I never said it did. I'm just saying that it's stupid to say "well, she can't afford to have kids, so why did she have them?" No birth control, no reproductive freedom, women are basically chattel... it's not her fault. Calling her stupid is, well, stupid.
 

Beau

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Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

Ummm....we're going to be targeting military targets - military vehicles, military installations, military personnel....not innocent people

You actually think no innocent people will die? That's uhh, pretty funny.

It's war. People die. It's not like we're not giving that jackass of a leader the chance to comply and avoid the situation all together.
 

jahawkin

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Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

Ummm....we're going to be targeting military targets - military vehicles, military installations, military personnel....not innocent people

You actually think no innocent people will die? That's uhh, pretty funny.

Of course innocent people will die. Lots of them. But its all for the security of the US.
 

SOSTrooper

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Originally posted by: DaZ
Why does she have 8 kids if she cant feed them?

Thats how life is in the middle east. And we're set out to bomb innocent people.

rolleye.gif


Yeah, that's it. The U.S. and Britain are out to bomb poor innocent women and children, not the military installations.

Umm.... our technology isn't advanced enough to avoid all innocent people while sending hundreds to thousands of bombs to a country that most Americans can't even point out on the map.