Don't blame Fannie, Freddie or the CRA for this mess

chess9

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http://www.slate.com/id/2201641/

"The Community Reinvestment Act applies to depository banks. But many of the institutions that spurred the massive growth of the subprime market weren't regulated banks. They were outfits such as Argent and American Home Mortgage, which were generally not regulated by the Federal Reserve or other entities that monitored compliance with CRA. These institutions worked hand in glove with Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, entities to which the CRA likewise didn't apply. There's much more. As Barry Ritholtz notes in this fine rant, the CRA didn't force mortgage companies to offer loans for no money down, or to throw underwriting standards out the window, or to encourage mortgage brokers to aggressively seek out new markets. Nor did the CRA force the credit-rating agencies to slap high-grade ratings on packages of subprime debt."

In another thread I made essentially this same argument. It isn't the CRA or F and F that are primarily at fault. The really toxic stuff are the CDSs, MBS, etc., i.e., the derivatives. These overly creative instruments now have virtually NO MARKET, yet banks worldwide hold billions, maybe trillions of dollars worth of derivatives. They are going to bring down a lot of banks at a few major economies.

Blaming this crisis on F and F and the CRA is essentially a racist argument by McCain who is trying to blame the few poor black and Hispanics who may have gotten mortgage loans beyond their ability to pay.

This is awful stuff by McCain and further incites racial hatred. No one should be doing what McCain is doing.

Obama is an imperfect candidate, but he is a far better man than McCain.

-Robert
 

GoPackGo

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so when you vote for Obama, you vote for a relative of both Cheney AND Bush!
 

chess9

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
so when you vote for Obama, you vote for a relative of both Cheney AND Bush!

LOL! I didn't know Barack had a bad branch in his family tree.

-Robert

 

sandorski

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Yup. Prepare to link back to this often as some just post the Fannie/Freddie blame as if their life depended on it being believed.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
so when you vote for Obama, you vote for a relative of both Cheney AND Bush!

Ah! That's where the "s" in "Terrorists" comes from!!
 

NoStateofMind

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Chess, I just heard (in passing) on TV about how the American people are to blame for it. Story is to be later but I don't know what channel it was now :(

Looks like blame is being spread all over.
 

chess9

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Yup. Prepare to link back to this often as some just post the Fannie/Freddie blame as if their life depended on it being believed.

I know! I hear this junk from all my right wing friends. I should move to California so I can be miserable in peace. ;)

-Robert


























 

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Market usually likes to price in expectations months in advance. I think the a lot of the down-turn has been priced in at this point, and admittedly I'm surprised we've seen 8500 as a low (I would have said 9500). I think a lot of banks/hedge funds have priced in the CDS' and derivatives in general, and it's part of the reason you're still seeing such huge drops in the Dow. It's hard to say without pouring over the data, we could see another several hundred point drop. If I had to guess, though, we're going to see some stagnation and then a very quick uptick (10,000) over the next half year, by which point you're looking at a sustained recovery by Q4 2009, all else equal. But who knows what could happen in the meantime. Hopefully global markets can recover.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Yup. Prepare to link back to this often as some just post the Fannie/Freddie blame as if their life depended on it being believed.

Gosh.

You don't think that Republikans would falsely blame FM/FM and Democrats for the current economic crisis just for political expediency in a last ditch desperate effort to win an election, do you?

The Horrors!

:shocked:
 

Deeko

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racism to blame fannie and freddie!!!!

wow.

That's classic stuff right there.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Market usually likes to price in expectations months in advance. I think the a lot of the down-turn has been priced in at this point, and admittedly I'm surprised we've seen 8500 as a low (I would have said 9500). I think a lot of banks/hedge funds have priced in the CDS' and derivatives in general, and it's part of the reason you're still seeing such huge drops in the Dow. It's hard to say without pouring over the data, we could see another several hundred point drop. If I had to guess, though, we're going to see some stagnation and then a very quick uptick (10,000) over the next half year, by which point you're looking at a sustained recovery by Q4 2009, all else equal. But who knows what could happen in the meantime. Hopefully global markets can recover.

I hope you're right.
 

chess9

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Originally posted by: Deeko
racism to blame fannie and freddie!!!!

wow.

That's classic stuff right there.

Yes, it is.

Racism is a big part of what the Republican Party is about, sad to say. I have a family full of right wing Republicans, and tons of friends who think David Duke is a Patriot. I'm from Cleveland, so racial tension is not new, and it's still very high there.

Just listen to your friends and tell me with a straight face there aren't a lot of racist Republicans.

-Robert

 

smashp

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Originally posted by: chess9
Originally posted by: Deeko
racism to blame fannie and freddie!!!!

wow.

That's classic stuff right there.

Yes, it is.

Racism is a big part of what the Republican Party is about, sad to say. I have a family full of right wing Republicans, and tons of friends who think David Duke is a Patriot. I'm from Cleveland, so racial tension is not new, and it's still very high there.

Just listen to your friends and tell me with a straight face there aren't a lot of racist Republicans.

-Robert

Im from the Cleveland Area also. the difference between the east and west side is stagering. then you go out to the burbs and boy is there alot of racism there also.

 

chess9

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: chess9
Originally posted by: Deeko
racism to blame fannie and freddie!!!!

wow.

That's classic stuff right there.

Yes, it is.

Racism is a big part of what the Republican Party is about, sad to say. I have a family full of right wing Republicans, and tons of friends who think David Duke is a Patriot. I'm from Cleveland, so racial tension is not new, and it's still very high there.

Just listen to your friends and tell me with a straight face there aren't a lot of racist Republicans.

-Robert

Im from the Cleveland Area also. the difference between the east and west side is stagering. then you go out to the burbs and boy is there alot of racism there also.

I got outta' Cleveland when I turned 18 and graduated from high school. When I was there it was the pits, but that was in the 50's and early 60's.

You are right about the differences between East and West sides. People who live in North Dakota or some small community in Iowa don't see it as much, which is why you often hear people object to the characterization of the racism in the Republican Party, particularly if they are conservative Republicans.

-Robert
 

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The CRA absolutely got the ball rolling on this mess by perverting a financial venture into a tool for social (and Marxist) engineering. Banks were not forced to make loans but in a clever fashion quotas were still practically in place since banks in subprime areas were subject to reviews on how well the performed for the subprime market percentages - with community groups like ACORN and La Raza given a role in assessment (how retarded). As the ball rolled downhill and the financial institutions realised they were full of toxic items they did their own machinations to hide the problem and bury it in layers that even they lost track of.

In any case the subprime market exploded waaaaaaaay beyond what it should have been allowed to. There were people who saw the problem and tried to fix it but the ACORN/LaRaza/MoveOn, Marxist controlled Dem party blocked it - with creeps like Barney Frank scoffing that there was any problem:

'These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...eddie%20labaton&st=cse

Fannie and Freddie are mostly a Dem failure. Bush didnt help with his give aways to illegal aliens but even he was trying to get reform. The Marxists would have none of it. This is why they Dems aren't holding their usual Stalinist hearings into the manner - because they know their traitorous hearts are at the center of it.

Now we are just beginning to find out how many illegals were given houses by La Raza and ACORN et al. Nobody should be surprised because it was in news awhile this was going on:


"Undocumented residents being recruited for loans"


?There is a huge untapped market out there, but it is a controversial program,? said Sarah Lumbert, office director of San Diego's ACORN Housing Corp., part of a national group working with Citibank to provide tax-ID loans.

"ACORN members, advocates on housing issues for low-and moderate-income people and Citibank have quietly recruited applicants in the county for more than a year. Their program has ramped up slowly because applicants need to establish credit and hunt for an affordable home."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/...206/news_1n6loans.html

One central reason Obama is ahead is because the American sheeple have been led to believe by Stalinist (in-the-tank-for-Obama) media that Bush deregulation caused subprime mess. Of course McCain fecklessness helped this go uncorrected. Alas the sheeple are starting to realize the Dems stole their children's future and have enjoyed seeing the failure since it helped them (with gleeeee they tell media of insurance and bank risks to start panic). There is going to be a lot of trouble
 

Vic

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Only a moron with no knowledge or experience in the mortgage industry blames the CRA. Period.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
The CRA absolutely got the ball rolling on this mess by perverting a financial venture into a tool for social (and Marxist) engineering. Banks were not forced to make loans but in a clever fashion quotas were still practically in place since banks in subprime areas were subject to reviews on how well the performed for the subprime market percentages - with community groups like ACORN and La Raza given a role in assessment (how retarded). As the ball rolled downhill and the financial institutions realised they were full of toxic items they did their own machinations to hide the problem and bury it in layers that even they lost track of.

In any case the subprime market exploded waaaaaaaay beyond what it should have been allowed to. There were people who saw the problem and tried to fix it but the ACORN/LaRaza/MoveOn, Marxist controlled Dem party blocked it - with creeps like Barney Frank scoffing that there was any problem:

'These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...eddie%20labaton&st=cse

Fannie and Freddie are mostly a Dem failure. Bush didnt help with his give aways to illegal aliens but even he was trying to get reform. The Marxists would have none of it. This is why they Dems aren't holding their usual Stalinist hearings into the manner - because they know their traitorous hearts are at the center of it.

Now we are just beginning to find out how many illegals were given houses by La Raza and ACORN et al. Nobody should be surprised because it was in news awhile this was going on:


"Undocumented residents being recruited for loans"


?There is a huge untapped market out there, but it is a controversial program,? said Sarah Lumbert, office director of San Diego's ACORN Housing Corp., part of a national group working with Citibank to provide tax-ID loans.

"ACORN members, advocates on housing issues for low-and moderate-income people and Citibank have quietly recruited applicants in the county for more than a year. Their program has ramped up slowly because applicants need to establish credit and hunt for an affordable home."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/...206/news_1n6loans.html

One central reason Obama is ahead is because the American sheeple have been led to believe by Stalinist (in-the-tank-for-Obama) media that Bush deregulation caused subprime mess. Of course McCain fecklessness helped this go uncorrected. Alas the sheeple are starting to realize the Dems stole their children's future and have enjoyed seeing the failure since it helped them (with gleeeee they tell media of insurance and bank risks to start panic). There is going to be a lot of trouble

you need a ridiculous dave style sig.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Deeko
racism to blame fannie and freddie!!!!

wow.

That's classic stuff right there.


Let me broaden it a bit, if you don't vote for Barrack Hussein (don't call him Barry) Obama you must be a racist.


We know that Barry isn't racist... he's half black after all.
 

idiotekniQues

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blaming CRA is just more republican scumbaggery.

CRA was started in 77 and retooled in 95 by clinton. yet the sub-prime loan explosion didnt start until after 2000. meanwhile you have repubs saying CRA made banks loan all these sub-prime rated loans. if that was the case, if cra made them do it, it would have happened 5 years earlier. the timeline is fubared, and they are so sick in the head they believe they can alter the spacetime continuum.

a key change in 2000 was after the deregulation of gramm was the unregulated derivatives called credit default swaps that ballooned to over 3 times the size of the entire US stock market from like 2001-2007. nah, that had nothin to do with it.

 

Mani

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There's plenty of blame to go around in this mess. The only people blaming it all on Fannie and Freddie are idiot partisans with an agenda.
 

Mavtek3100

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Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Blame the system, not the players.

a lot of these players are the system. they own it.

Nah, the system was put in place a long time ago, they're just taking advantage of it.
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
The CRA absolutely got the ball rolling on this mess by perverting a financial venture into a tool for social (and Marxist) engineering. Banks were not forced to make loans but in a clever fashion quotas were still practically in place since banks in subprime areas were subject to reviews on how well the performed for the subprime market percentages - with community groups like ACORN and La Raza given a role in assessment (how retarded). As the ball rolled downhill and the financial institutions realised they were full of toxic items they did their own machinations to hide the problem and bury it in layers that even they lost track of.

In any case the subprime market exploded waaaaaaaay beyond what it should have been allowed to. There were people who saw the problem and tried to fix it but the ACORN/LaRaza/MoveOn, Marxist controlled Dem party blocked it - with creeps like Barney Frank scoffing that there was any problem:

'These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...eddie%20labaton&st=cse

Fannie and Freddie are mostly a Dem failure. Bush didnt help with his give aways to illegal aliens but even he was trying to get reform. The Marxists would have none of it. This is why they Dems aren't holding their usual Stalinist hearings into the manner - because they know their traitorous hearts are at the center of it.

Now we are just beginning to find out how many illegals were given houses by La Raza and ACORN et al. Nobody should be surprised because it was in news awhile this was going on:


"Undocumented residents being recruited for loans"


?There is a huge untapped market out there, but it is a controversial program,? said Sarah Lumbert, office director of San Diego's ACORN Housing Corp., part of a national group working with Citibank to provide tax-ID loans.

"ACORN members, advocates on housing issues for low-and moderate-income people and Citibank have quietly recruited applicants in the county for more than a year. Their program has ramped up slowly because applicants need to establish credit and hunt for an affordable home."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/...206/news_1n6loans.html

One central reason Obama is ahead is because the American sheeple have been led to believe by Stalinist (in-the-tank-for-Obama) media that Bush deregulation caused subprime mess. Of course McCain fecklessness helped this go uncorrected. Alas the sheeple are starting to realize the Dems stole their children's future and have enjoyed seeing the failure since it helped them (with gleeeee they tell media of insurance and bank risks to start panic). There is going to be a lot of trouble

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