Donated organs rejected because man was gay

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Ryan
Gotta put this "Aids is raising due to african immigration" rumor to death - look at the immigration numbers from Africa: http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/yearbook/YrBk04Im.htm.

Africa has the second lowest immigration rates from any major region, with only about 60,000 immigrants a year.

The amount of immigrants from Africa is irrelevant. Africa is a literal hotbed of HIV infections. Compared to the rest of the world, Africa has the highest per capita rate of HIV infections. So when these folks come over from Africa, there is a greater chance of them being infected than say someone from Europe or S. America.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Ryan
Gotta put this "Aids is raising due to african immigration" rumor to death - look at the immigration numbers from Africa: http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/yearbook/YrBk04Im.htm.

Africa has the second lowest immigration rates from any major region, with only about 60,000 immigrants a year.

The amount of immigrants from Africa is irrelevant. Africa is a literal hotbed of HIV infections. Compared to the rest of the world, Africa has the highest per capita rate of HIV infections. So when these folks come over from Africa, there is a greater chance of them being infected than say someone from Europe or S. America.

There haven't been any major statistical evaluations about immigration and the prevalence of Aids among black ameircans.

Some interesting information on Black Americans and AIDS: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/afam.pdf

The reasons why AIDS is more prevalent in the black population is due to socio-economic reasons mainly, and the fact that many black men who do have sex with men do so secretl. They usually still have relationships with women, and don't identify themselves as anything but heterosexual even if they have sex with men.

 

[zendari]

Who would want gay flesh to impurify themselves?

 

[steelels1]

Just saw this online:

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1 in 50 Black men, 1 in 160 Black women, and 1 out of 3 young Black gay males are infected with HIV, numbers nearly on par with infection rates in South Africa. In 2003, blacks, though only 12 percent of the population in this country, accounted for 50 percent of the new AIDS cases. Black females between the ages 25 and 44 are more likely to die of AIDS than any other illness.

Those statistics are from 2001. I do work for a local HIV/AIDS organization and the stats locally are even worse, with the number of new infections for blacks to whites being something like 5:1. And mind you, African Americans make up only 19% if this county's populaton.

I'm just posting this as an FYI since I saw questions raised about this. I'm gay myself and can't say I oppose the policies concerning blood and organ donations from gay donors, although I hope that one day they won't be necessary.

What no one wants to admit is that HIV/AIDS spread thanks to the promiscuous lifestyles of SOME (certainly not all) gay men. I wish we (as in the gay community) would take more responsibility instead of having gay "pride" parades featuring guys in thongs and glitter gyrating against each other. Yeah, that's going to win everyone over.

Sorry, had to rant.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: zendari
Who would want gay flesh to impurify themselves?

Well, just so you know, I hold my body in such high reguard that I wouldn't take your flesh for fear that your illicit stupidity was contageous.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: steelels1
Just saw this online:

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1 in 50 Black men, 1 in 160 Black women, and 1 out of 3 young Black gay males are infected with HIV, numbers nearly on par with infection rates in South Africa. In 2003, blacks, though only 12 percent of the population in this country, accounted for 50 percent of the new AIDS cases. Black females between the ages 25 and 44 are more likely to die of AIDS than any other illness.

Those statistics are from 2001. I do work for a local HIV/AIDS organization and the stats locally are even worse, with the number of new infections for blacks to whites being something like 5:1. And mind you, African Americans make up only 19% if this county's populaton.

I'm just posting this as an FYI since I saw questions raised about this. I'm gay myself and can't say I oppose the policies concerning blood and organ donations from gay donors, although I hope that one day they won't be necessary.

What no one wants to admit is that HIV/AIDS spread thanks to the promiscuous lifestyles of SOME (certainly not all) gay men. I wish we (as in the gay community) would take more responsibility instead of having gay "pride" parades featuring guys in thongs and glitter gyrating against each other. Yeah, that's going to win everyone over.

Sorry, had to rant.

I agree with you completely. I just want to make it clear - I don't dispute that it's a problem, and have not raised any issue with the OP to this thread, it's just that the whole "higher rates of aids due to african immigration" notion is bogus.

 

[everman]

They do ask about that when you donate blood, I'm not sure if they won't let you if you say yes though. They just need to know if there's a higher risk for disease.
Rejecting organs outright seems a little odd though when you can just run standard tests for disease.

 

[steelels1]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: steelels1
Just saw this online:

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1 in 50 Black men, 1 in 160 Black women, and 1 out of 3 young Black gay males are infected with HIV, numbers nearly on par with infection rates in South Africa. In 2003, blacks, though only 12 percent of the population in this country, accounted for 50 percent of the new AIDS cases. Black females between the ages 25 and 44 are more likely to die of AIDS than any other illness.

Those statistics are from 2001. I do work for a local HIV/AIDS organization and the stats locally are even worse, with the number of new infections for blacks to whites being something like 5:1. And mind you, African Americans make up only 19% if this county's populaton.

I'm just posting this as an FYI since I saw questions raised about this. I'm gay myself and can't say I oppose the policies concerning blood and organ donations from gay donors, although I hope that one day they won't be necessary.

What no one wants to admit is that HIV/AIDS spread thanks to the promiscuous lifestyles of SOME (certainly not all) gay men. I wish we (as in the gay community) would take more responsibility instead of having gay "pride" parades featuring guys in thongs and glitter gyrating against each other. Yeah, that's going to win everyone over.

Sorry, had to rant.

I agree with you completely. I just want to make it clear - I don't dispute that it's a problem, and have not raised any issue with the OP to this thread, it's just that the whole "higher rates of aids due to african immigration" notion is bogus.

Yes, you are correct. I was just pointing out that there is indeed a disparity as far as infections from race to race. But no matter how bad it might possibly get, I highly doubt similar policies based on race would even be considered. Funny double standard, but I consider my sexual orientation to be as much a fact of my life of as my race.

 

[steelels1]

Originally posted by: everman
They do ask about that when you donate blood, I'm not sure if they won't let you if you say yes though. They just need to know if there's a higher risk for disease.
Rejecting organs outright seems a little odd though when you can just run standard tests for disease.

No, they will not let you if you answer yes. This goes for any sort of blood/organ/etc. donation.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: nCred

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: nCred

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: nCred
Following the same logic, since HIV is much more common among black people then white people, should they really accept organs from african americans?

they don't if they are truly "african americans". that term is used way too loosely. how many people do you know that you call "african american" that are actually from Africa?

anyways, if you would read ANY of the links, or do a simple google search, you would see that if you are from a certain part of the world, or spent any significant amount of time there, you will be denied.

nah, I meant that there´s about 15 times more likely a black person in America has HIV then a white, but maybe it´s 50 times more likely a homosexual is HIV infected, I dont know.

I think the number is pretty important. I also think if you don't know it, perhaps you shouldn't bother with the argument and do some research first...

I'd say however if they % of black people in America with HIV is close to that of homosexuals, then yes, they should also not accept their organs/blood.

It's all about risk factors.

edit: furthermore, the relationship of % of black people with HIV compared to % of white people is irrelevant. The only thing that's good for is racial comparison, not determining risks. The important number is the overall % of blacks with HIV.

I´m sure there are statistics regarding how many homosexuals are HIV infected, but does anyone know how many gay people there are? I´ve seen numbers from 2-10 % of the population, without knowing that you can´t say how much more likely it´s for homosexuals to be HIV infected.

You have no idea on the base numbers for your argument about blacks, yet you make it.
You have no understanding of statistics, yet you question it.

You don't need to know the # of the entire population to get a decent stat. That's what sampling is for. Test enough known gay people and you get an approx. % for the population. If that % is high, it's deemed risky and logical decisions can be made from there.

Given your ignorance (no offense, see sig) on the subjects at hand, I think you should think twice before posting.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: steelels1
Just saw this online:

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1 in 50 Black men, 1 in 160 Black women, and 1 out of 3 young Black gay males are infected with HIV, numbers nearly on par with infection rates in South Africa. In 2003, blacks, though only 12 percent of the population in this country, accounted for 50 percent of the new AIDS cases. Black females between the ages 25 and 44 are more likely to die of AIDS than any other illness.

Those statistics are from 2001. I do work for a local HIV/AIDS organization and the stats locally are even worse, with the number of new infections for blacks to whites being something like 5:1. And mind you, African Americans make up only 19% if this county's populaton.

I'm just posting this as an FYI since I saw questions raised about this. I'm gay myself and can't say I oppose the policies concerning blood and organ donations from gay donors, although I hope that one day they won't be necessary.

What no one wants to admit is that HIV/AIDS spread thanks to the promiscuous lifestyles of SOME (certainly not all) gay men. I wish we (as in the gay community) would take more responsibility instead of having gay "pride" parades featuring guys in thongs and glitter gyrating against each other. Yeah, that's going to win everyone over.

Sorry, had to rant.

I really REALLY wish more gay males I met had the same mentality you do. People like you are going to change other peoples opinions (like me) on gay males.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
iirc, the reason for the ruling was because of the fear of AIDS in the gay community. Not simply the fact that they had a different sexual preference.

Hey, who told you to bring some logic into this thread? We wanna bash some bigots. :|


:roll:

QFT

 

[TitanDiddly]

Same reason as why men who have had sex with men recently can't donate blood.

 

[getbush]

Nothing unusual or wrong about this. I like these kinds of threads because it helps to identify the ignorant of the community for future reference. I think the funniest thing I saw were people who thought the organs where offered to a dying person or their family and presented as a gay man's organ, which they then rejected. Some people can be so dense. The fact is they were rejected by the organization that runs the system for valid reasons that are policy. Furthermore, people who donate organs remain anonymous and unknown to the recipient and their family, and vice versa.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
iirc, the reason for the ruling was because of the fear of AIDS in the gay community. Not simply the fact that they had a different sexual preference.

Is the rate of AIDs infection within the gay community higher than in the straight?

Is the AIDs infection rate for the population as a whole higher than it is for say...black men?

 

[Mark R]

Is the rate of AIDS infection within the gay community higher than in the straight?

Yes. Being a gay man is the single most important risk factor for AIDS in the US.

According to the CDC (2003 data), in the US, 51% of AIDS sufferers in the US are gay men. By contrast 8% of men with AIDS contracted it via heterosexual sex (the majority of the remainder contracted it are injecting drug abusers).

The CDC do not calculate a risk score for gay men - as the number of gay men in the country is not known. However, if we assume that 10% of men practice gay sex, then we can calculate the relative risk. In this case it works out at approx 60x that of straight men. Please note that this is an extrapolation which is not based on hard data - this figure should not be taken as scientific fact.

Is the AIDs infection rate for the population as a whole higher than it is for say...black men?

From the CDC:

Of the rates of AIDS diagnoses for all racial and ethnic groups, the second highest was the rate for Hispanics. The highest rate was that for African Americans (76.4 cases per 100,000 people), followed by the rates for Hispanics (26.0/100,000), American Indians and Alaska Natives (11.2/100,000), whites (7.0/100,000), and Asians and Pacific Islanders (4.9/100,000)

You can see from the figures above that African americans have an infection rate nearly 11x higher than whites, with hispanics approx 3.5x higher. Again, I should stress that these are AIDS sufferers living in the US. The situation in other countries is significantly different.

Worldwide, the majority of cases of AIDS are in Africa and were contracted through heterosexual contact.