Donald Trump's button is bigger than yours

[mikeymikec]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948355557022420992

"Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 11h11 hours ago

North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!"

Does this guy even think about what he writes? Not only is there a logical weakness in there, but he just unleashed a whole raft of obvious dick jokes; regardless of intent, it makes him look stupid (well, as stupid as he normally does).

Maybe he's got something on his mind that he needs to speak to his doctor about?

 

[Starbuck1975]

In a sense, we want Trump to continue down this path. It gives Un a credible path to save face. The outcome we want is for the international community to pressure North Korea and for them to come to the table in a way that allows them to save face. Trump acting like a useful idiot resulted in tighter sanctions and Un extending an olive branch to South Korea.

Foreign policy is now literally mirroring South Park.

 

[mikeymikec]

In a sense, we want Trump to continue down this path. It gives Un a credible path to save face. The outcome we want is for the international community to pressure North Korea and for them to come to the table in a way that allows them to save face. Trump acting like a useful idiot resulted in tighter sanctions and Un extending an olive branch to South Korea.

Foreign policy is now literally mirroring South Park.

"We"? Speak for yourself. I don't know what you've been smoking to make you believe that increasingly immature personal attacks are actually going to make KJU back down, maybe you should look back at your own life to recall a scenario of when it worked for you, then try to apply that scenario to THREATENING NUCLEAR WARFARE.

If the objective truly is to give NK a way out of this stupid rhetoric without international humiliation, then the last thing any sensible person wants is for a dickhead like Trump to equate this to a willy-waving contest.

There's no relevant and legitimate reason whatsoever for Trump to act this way, IMO he just wants to be seen to be "acting presidential" (as well as providing a smokescreen to things that he hopes his supporters won't pay much attention to), in the same way that his vision of being rich and successful is somewhat similar to a child's or a hobo's.

 

[Starbuck1975]

"We"? Speak for yourself. I don't know what you've been smoking to make you believe that increasingly immature personal attacks are actually going to make KJU back down, maybe you should look back at your own life to recall a scenario of when it worked for you, then try to apply that scenario to THREATENING NUCLEAR WARFARE.

If the objective truly is to give NK a way out of this stupid rhetoric without international humiliation, then the last thing any sensible person wants is for a dickhead like Trump to equate this to a willy-waving contest.

There's no relevant and legitimate reason whatsoever for Trump to act this way, IMO he just wants to be seen to be "acting presidential" (as well as providing a smokescreen to things that he hopes his supporters won't pay much attention to), in the same way that his vision of being rich and successful is somewhat similar to a child's or a hobo's.

Failed diplomacy led us to a nuclear capable North Korea. Calling Un's bluffs and stiffening sanction against North Korea is bringing them back to the table. I say we stick with what works.

 

[mikeymikec]

Failed diplomacy led us to a nuclear capable North Korea. Calling Un's bluffs and stiffening sanction against North Korea is bringing them back to the table. I say we stick with what works.

Stiffening sanctions has brought them to the table in the past, this time around is another shakedown by NK, just like before. How exactly would you stop a dictatorship like NK from getting nukes, apart from the extreme routes which have been shown not to work in the past?

You know, maybe you have a great idea after all! If only we had someone of Donald Trump's toddler-like temperament to hurl insults at KJI, then maybe that would have stopped them developing nukes! Maybe KJI would have been so mad at these insults that he'd have been distracted and instead of developing nukes, he would registered on an Internet forum and thrown insults back!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The difference this time around is that SK isn't sure it has a stable partner in the US any longer. This seems to be their motivation this time around and why the US isn't involved. Trump and his admin are opening the door to China to be the leading player in the region on security matters.

 

[K1052]

Failed diplomacy led us to a nuclear capable North Korea. Calling Un's bluffs and stiffening sanction against North Korea is bringing them back to the table. I say we stick with what works.

Exactly what Trump said would not come to pass has already come to pass/been allowed. NK has a credible nuclear deterrent and delivery systems that can plausibly work despite the most intense sanctions regime ever. He's still hanging on to the prerequisite that NK has to denuclearize in order for their to be talks. Unfortunately for him SK doesn't appear to hold that view. They agreed to reconnect the Panjumom hotline last night and the two governments spoke.

KJU has successfully outmaneuvered Trump and will probably start making deals that de-escalate with SK while maintaining their nuclear arsenal at some level, wholly circumventing current US policy. Once that starts interest from China and Russia on maintaining economic pressure will drain away. Make no mistake, Trump is presiding over an almost total unraveling of US power and influence in Asia through incompetence and neglect.

 

[K1052]

Trump and his admin are opening the door to China to be the leading player in the region on security matters.

The door is fully open and the Chinese are already halfway through it.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump and the United States are being out maneuvered by a fat crazy guy with a haircut like Moe Howard.

N&SK have edged the US out of negotiations.

 

[Starbuck1975]

KJU has successfully outmaneuvered Trump and will probably start making deals that de-escalate with SK while maintaining their nuclear arsenal at some level, wholly circumventing current US policy. Once that starts interest from China and Russia on maintaining economic pressure will drain away. Make no mistake, Trump is presiding over an almost total unraveling of US power and influence in Asia through incompetence and neglect.

Un didn't outmaneuver anything. He is the beneficiary of decades of failed US foreign policy since the end of the Cold War.

If anyone did any outmaneuvering, it was China. We lost influence in Asia the moment China started building islands in the South China sea.

 

[K1052]

Un didn't outmaneuver anything. He is the beneficiary of decades of failed US foreign policy since the end of the Cold War.

If anyone did any outmaneuvering, it was China. We lost influence in Asia the moment China started building islands in the South China sea.

It's possible for both things to be true. The Trump Doctrine, if we can call it that, appears to have had the opposite of desired effect. SK leaning away from us and none of our security goals satisfied while NK accelerated their programs.

The SCS is only one part of the picture. Economically and politically the US abdication of position over the last year has basically cleared the way for China to take over the region.

 

[Homerboy]

Maybe the button just seems bigger to Trump due to his exceptionally small hands?

 

[Starbuck1975]

It's possible for both things to be true. The Trump Doctrine, if we can call it that, appears to have had the opposite of desired effect. SK leaning away from us and none of our security goals satisfied while NK accelerated their programs.

The SCS is only one part of the picture. Economically and politically the US abdication of position over the last year has basically cleared the way for China to take over the region.

Fair points, although the US abdication of position extends well beyond the last year. No post Cold War President has successfully defined what America's role should be, especially in Asia.

 

[HomerJS]

Anyone also notice us being out maneuvered in that region by both China and Russia.

Who backed Pakistan when chastised by Trump, Russia.
Who continues to support NK while we are trying to apply sanctions, China.
Who benefits because we pulled out of TPP, China.

My guess NK's long game may be some sort of non-aggression pact followed by a quasi or full on unification of the Korean peninsula. Who else benefits from that? China, Russia. With North and South talking alone we won't be able to stop it.

 

[Phokus]

How many times is Trump going to prove that he is unfit to lead the most powerful country on earth before he's impeached?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I suppose I've survived Trump smiling and perhaps because of this little ditty.

Whenever life gets you down
Keeps you wearing a frown
And the gravy train has left you behind
And when you're all out of hope
Down at the end of your rope
And nobody's there to throw you a line

If you ever get so low that you don't know
which way to go
Come on and take a walk in my shoes
Never worry about a thing
Got the world on a string
'Cause I've got the cure for all of my
blues (all of his blues)

I take a look at my enormous penis
And my troubles start a-meltin' away
I take a look at my enormous penis
And the happy times are coming to stay

I gotta sing and I dance when I glance in
my pants
And the feeling's like a sunshiny day
I take a look at my enormous pe-e-e-nis
And everything is goin' my way

 

[brycejones]

How many times is Trump going to prove that he is unfit to lead the most powerful country on earth before he's impeached?

As long as he will sign whatever shit the GOP will put in front of him he can screw up as much as he wants.

 

[dphantom]

dumb comment. one does not mess around with nuclear weapons.

 

[HomerJS]

dumb comment. one does not mess around with nuclear weapons.

Trump thinks he can. Remember early on in a National Security meeting Trump asked 3 separate times "why can't we use the nukes if we have them?". I think it was after that McMaster called him a an "idiot"

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'm waiting for the Don to start comparing his ego with other world leaders for it would be the one time that he could factually state that his eclipses all others.

 

[nakedfrog]

I suppose I've survived Trump smiling and perhaps because of this little ditty.

Thanks, now it's stuck in my head

 

[Puffnstuff]

I knew that someone would make an official song over this hot button issue and here it is so enjoy.

 

[urvile]

SK leaning away from us and none of our security goals satisfied

You have to wonder how much of that is a result of trumps twitter threats and childish posturing? It's south korea that is going to be destroyed if the shit hits the fan. It's possible that at this point it's preferable for them to just cut the US out and deal with it themselves. It's not like SK don't have a formidable, technologically advanced military. Same with Japan.

If the shit hit the fan SK will take serious casualties but that would happen if the US attacked NK as well. Put Japan and South Korea together....What do they they need the US for? All trump does is bumble around causing trouble

 

[K1052]

You have to wonder how much of that is a result of trumps twitter threats and childish posturing? It's south korea that is going to be destroyed if the shit hits the fan. It's possible that at this point it's preferable for them to just cut the US out and deal with it themselves. It's not like SK don't have a formidable, technologically advanced military. Same with Japan.

If the shit hit the fan SK will take serious casualties but that would happen if the US attacked NK as well. Put Japan and South Korea together....What do they they need the US for? All trump does is bumble around causing trouble

Were I SK I'd be looking to make a deal to de-escalate, which appears to be the direction they are headed. I think they've decided to live with a nuclear NK because there is little real choice. US intervention is now more hindrance than help since there is no way NK is giving up the nukes. SK can negotiate NK military posture pullback and probably some limitations on number of nukes and missiles while possibly preserving their own right to a deterrent should the US step away in return for economic re-engagement.

 

[Greenman]

You have to wonder how much of that is a result of trumps twitter threats and childish posturing? It's south korea that is going to be destroyed if the shit hits the fan. It's possible that at this point it's preferable for them to just cut the US out and deal with it themselves. It's not like SK don't have a formidable, technologically advanced military. Same with Japan.

If the shit hit the fan SK will take serious casualties but that would happen if the US attacked NK as well. Put Japan and South Korea together....What do they they need the US for? All trump does is bumble around causing trouble

That would be an outstanding plan, obviously the US has never had any influence in NK.