Donald Trump releases his birth certificate, demands Obama does the same

[werepossum]

You bolded the wrong part.



Even that women who goes around showing her old beat up HI birth cert cannot get another copy of it if she loses the one she has. She can only get a cert of live birth.

I would imagine there are warehouses full of boxes in no particular order, maybe not even going that far back, and they can't be bothered to seek out one in particular. If the computer says you should have one, they just print out a new Certificate of Live Birth with the information stored in the computer. Otherwise there would be literally millions of long form birth certificates that have to be stored in an accessible format.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

yes I think we have all seen that. thanks.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I would imagine there are warehouses full of boxes in no particular order, maybe not even going that far back, and they can't be bothered to seek out one in particular. If the computer says you should have one, they just print out a new Certificate of Live Birth with the information stored in the computer. Otherwise there would be literally millions of long form birth certificates that have to be stored in an accessible format.

pay some of the extra mexicans we are supporting to find it.

 

[Vette73]

yes I think we have all seen that. thanks.

Really, then what are you jabbering about then?

 

[comptr6]

Sorry but that doesn't prove anything! We the people are waiting to see the real birth certificate before we conclude that he isn't a muslim.

 

[jonks]

I would imagine there are warehouses full of boxes in no particular order, maybe not even going that far back, and they can't be bothered to seek out one in particular. If the computer says you should have one, they just print out a new Certificate of Live Birth with the information stored in the computer. Otherwise there would be literally millions of long form birth certificates that have to be stored in an accessible format.

He's already produced what any other citizen would have to produce, proven what he's been required to prove, additionally supported with complementary evidence published in newspapers at the time of his birth. It's not up to him or HI or anyone else to do special reconnaissance because nut cases don't like brown people with mooslim names.

Seriously, you could show those people the "long form" and you think that would stop them? No. Because we saw what happened when he produced the COLB. And there's no dispute that it is an actual COLB right? Wrong. When it was released it was called a fraud, a forgery, a photoshop job, the numbers weren't right, the info was in the wrong place, it didn't have a crease, a seal, the color was off, it smelled funny, etc etc etc. The same shit would happen no matter what document he produced. You're dealing with an intransigent demographic here. Humoring nutcases sets bad precedent. Look at matts posts above regarding that executive order. Does he sound to you like a person looking to be swayed by reason or evidence?

 

[her209]

Sorry but that doesn't prove anything! We the people are waiting to see the real birth certificate before we conclude that he isn't a muslim.

Hahaha... nice!

 

[Matt1970]

I would imagine there are warehouses full of boxes in no particular order, maybe not even going that far back, and they can't be bothered to seek out one in particular. If the computer says you should have one, they just print out a new Certificate of Live Birth with the information stored in the computer. Otherwise there would be literally millions of long form birth certificates that have to be stored in an accessible format.

They are easily accessible. I got a photo copy of mine in 1991 mailed to be and millions of people do it all the time.

 

[Pens1566]

They are easily accessible. I got a photo copy of mine in 1991 mailed to be and millions of people do it all the time.

From Hawaii?

 

[Tom]

How do we know Hawaii is real ?

 

[Matt1970]

No, from Texas, but most states have a copy both with the government and the hospital.

A birth certificate or a certified copy of an original birth certificate is becoming increasingly important as a required form of identification. A birth certificate is required for getting a US passport and is considered valid proof if US citizenship by federal, state and local government agencies. A birth certificate may be required when applying for some jobs and may, in the future, be required when getting or renewing a driver’s license.

A certified copy of a birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of the person’s date of birth.

How to Get a Certified Birth Certificate

The federal government does not provide copies of birth certificates, marriage licenses, divorce decrees, death certificates, or any other personal vital records. Copies of birth certificates and other personal vital records can only be obtained from the state or US possession where the documents were originally filed. Most states provide a centralized source from which birth certificates and other vital records can be ordered.

Each state and US possession has its own set of rules and fees for ordering certified birth certificates on other vital records. Rules, ordering instructions and fees for all 50 states, the District of Columbia and all US possessions can be found on the Where to Write for Vital Records web page, helpfully maintained by the US Centers for Disease Control.

When ordering, be aware that shortened (abstract) versions of birth certificates offered by some states may not be acceptable for US passport purposes. Be sure to order only the full, certified copy of the original birth certificate bearing the registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office.

 

[Fern]

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Op-ED, Jack Cashill: Obama’s Missing Year; http://www.kansasprogress.com/wordpress/index.php/2010/02/11/op-ed-jack-cashill-obamas-missing-year/[/URL]

I don't know if this is true, but if it is it's mighty damn odd. Starting college two weeks after giving birth? And who was taking care of the two week old infant? Pretty dang unusual, especially for that day-and-age.

As I discovered, some of this story is fully false, and all of it is suspect. The false part involves the year after Obama’s birth 1961-1962.

As Jerome Corsi first revealed in these pages, “Stanley Ann Dunham” enrolled for classes at the University of Washington at Seattle on August 19, 1961, fifteen days after Obama’s presumed birth.

As is clearly documented, Ann attended class at the university through the spring semester with baby Obama in tow for at least some large part of this adventure.

The apolitical Washington state historical blog, HistoryLink, confirms Ann’s arrival in August 1961, identifies her Capitol Hill apartment in Seattle, names the courses she took, and documents an extended stay by Ann and little Obama into the summer of 1962.

Also if true, I find it disturbing that so many sources just get his history/background flat-out wrong.

Fern

 

[jonks]

Executive Order 13489 of January 21, 2009

Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and
former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records,
the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during
that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege
by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed
by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for
a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the
notice.

Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon receipt
of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General
(directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal
Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate
the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the
Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning
whether invocation of executive privilege is justified.

Executive Order 12667 of January 16, 1989 - President Ronald W. Reagan

Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and
former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records,
the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during
that time period the Archivist has received a claim of Executive privilege
by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed
by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period.
If a shorter time period is required under the circumstances set forth in section
1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the notice.

Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon receipt
of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General
(directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal
Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate
the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the
Archivist, and such other Federal agencies as they deem appropriate concerning
whether invocation of Executive privilege is justified.
*****************

I knew it!! What was Reagan hiding?! Let's see if we can figure it out. President Reagan, Ronald Reagan....Ronald Wilson Reagan...wait, that's six letters in each of his names.....6.6.6.......HOLY FUCK

 

[Vette73]

They are easily accessible. I got a photo copy of mine in 1991 mailed to be and millions of people do it all the time.

As already said...

"When anyone asks hawaii for their birth cert they get what he got."

But I forget you don't like facts, only right wing garbage that says what you want to hear.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Really, then what are you jabbering about then?

I think its been said many times. Original birth certificate not certificate of live birth that can easily issued by anyone with a home printer and desktop publishing application.

 

[Throckmorton]

pay some of the extra mexicans we are supporting to find it.

Mexicans in Hawaii?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

As already said...

"When anyone asks hawaii for their birth cert they get what he got."

But I forget you don't like facts, only right wing garbage that says what you want to hear.

Nobody is arguing the fact that Hawaii issues certificate of live birth documents upon request of a birth certificate.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Mexicans in Hawaii?

we can export them

 

[Matt1970]

As already said...

"When anyone asks hawaii for their birth cert they get what he got."

But I forget you don't like facts, only right wing garbage that says what you want to hear.

No tardo, I was replying to werepossum who thinks they are all out of order in random boxes in a warehouse.

I would imagine there are warehouses full of boxes in no particular order, maybe not even going that far back, and they can't be bothered to seek out one in particular. If the computer says you should have one, they just print out a new Certificate of Live Birth with the information stored in the computer. Otherwise there would be literally millions of long form birth certificates that have to be stored in an accessible format.

Use your brain for something other than to hold your ears apart.

 

[Fern]

I think its been said many times. Original birth certificate not certificate of live birth that can easily issued by anyone with a home printer and desktop publishing application.

Well, I think we have to admit the document produced is a legitimate Hawaiian document.

However, the document is sufficiently vague so that the type of original BC cannot be determined. E.g., no hospital is named as the place of birth; accordingly Obama's original may be a Delayed Birth Certificate. And if it is, we'd have a real sh!t storm of questions.

The copy produced also allows for the possibility of what Hawaii calls "corrections", these would be changes to the original. I have no idea why the original would be changed, or why anyone would care (other than his best selling books being fiction instead fact, or causing more questions no one wants to deal with).

If this weren't about Obama, instead say some kind of Republican document, the 'anti-birthers' here (many of whom are spoutiung as much BS as birthers) would be raising hell. To not show the full document (as an original would) and then spend money in court to stop it from being seen should raise questions in reasonable people. Trump is a businessman, in business if somebody is only willing to show you an abstract of a contract or deed suspicions would be so high no one would do any deal with them. Try showing only an abstract of your tax return and see how quick the bank would shoot down your loan request.

Fern

 

[jonks]

Nobody is arguing the fact that Hawaii issues certificate of live birth documents upon request of a birth certificate.

Right, they're just arguing that the resulting document, although satisfactory in every way to every federal agency as prima facie proof of birth, in some way is not sufficiently authentic as Obama must have had people who hacked the HI State Dept computers to plant the info in their databases as well as a secret time traveling squad that printed announcements of his birth in two papers the week he was born. Of course this begs the question why the time traveling squad didn't just plant a birth certificate in the hospital records dept, but I think it merely evidences Obama's clear lack of depth with regard to covert ops.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Here! I found the real one

 

[Jhhnn]

To not show the full document (as an original would) and then spend money in court to stop it from being seen should raise questions in reasonable people.

WTF do you think you're talking about, anyway?

 

[jonks]

The copy produced also allows for the possibility of what Hawaii calls "corrections", these would be changes to the original. I have no idea why the original would be changed, or why anyone would care

Every state has a birth certificate correction form for errors made on the original. Guess no one can be president. ANARCHY, fuck yeah!!!

Here's Georgia's in case you wanted to fix something:
http://health.state.ga.us/programs/vitalrecords/faq.asp
How can I make a correction to a birth certificate?
Obtain a certified copy of the birth certificate from the state vital records office. Circle all changes you wish to make, submit a written request to be provided instructions/procedures for the desired changes. An additional fee of $10 will be required to make the change. Request should be mailed to Changes Unit, Vital Records, 2600 Skyland Drive, NE, Atlanta, Georgia 30319. No information will be provided by telephone for instructions/procedures for change. A review of the record must be made to provide proper instructions/procedures for your individual certificate.

WTF do you think you're talking about, anyway?

I hope it's not that "obama spent $2.5M defending against birth cert claims"...

 

[Fern]

I would imagine there are warehouses full of boxes in no particular order, maybe not even going that far back, and they can't be bothered to seek out one in particular. If the computer says you should have one, they just print out a new Certificate of Live Birth with the information stored in the computer. Otherwise there would be literally millions of long form birth certificates that have to be stored in an accessible format.

No, not correct. At least not at the time Obama's BC was released.

To apply for benefits as an indiginous Hawaiian, you were required to submit a copy of the original long form to the Hawaiin Dept of Homeland. I.e., the state of Hawaii didn't necessarily accept the type Obama has produced for certain purposes.

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

However, since this 'birther' stuff really heated up they've changed that:

"The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/

So, Hawaii has the capability to produce the original long form.

Fern