Donald Trump: dumbest billionaire ever?

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Donald Trump: dumbest billionaire ever?

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LegendKiller

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marincounty said:
Studies have shown that illegals actually commit crimes at lower rates than citizens.
They have an interest in not being contacted by authorities.
On the other hand, we elected a convicted criminal president for the first time, GWB.
And he got a large percentage of the hispanic vote, was he pandering to illegals?
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NO, studies have shown *IMMIGRANTS* commit crimes at lower levels. There is no nationwide tracking of *ILLEGAL* data and a lot of sanctuary cities don't track the data.


The one study I linked to in another thread shows that, on average, *ILLEGALS* make up more of the criminal population as a % of their own population, ~4.3% compared to 3.7% for the general population. Furthermore, once you strip out african american gang members and druggies, that % differential is even larger.
 
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WhipperSnapper

WhipperSnapper

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I don't think he's stupid. He's just the most ego-maniacal billionaire I've ever seen. Most billionaires don't want the general public to know their identities, or at lest they don't go out of their way to publicize their identities and their great wealth.
 
ultimatebob

ultimatebob

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Jul 1, 2001
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Here's the real question... If you had to choose between Trump and Perot for president about 12 years ago, which would have you picked?
 
Conscript

Conscript

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It's refreshing to see an honest candidate who doesn't change their stance to pander to a demographic. First candidate like that since that silly actor in the 80's who had no chance to become president. Unwind your panties libs, have a feeling it's going to be a long road ahead
 
IronWing

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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Conscript said:
It's refreshing to see an honest candidate who doesn't change their stance to pander to a demographic. First candidate like that since that silly actor in the 80's who had no chance to become president. Unwind your panties libs, have a feeling it's going to be a long road ahead
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<Psst> Liberals love Trump.

Also, Reagan was a lying sack of treasonous shit. I can see why right wingers idolize him.
 
Newell Steamer

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Trump is the smartest idiot on the planet.

http://www.alternet.org/story/15623..._government's_protection_mostly_did_the_trick

He is the ultimate corporate welfare queen;
It is critical to note, however, that his father&#8217;s success, which granted Donald Trump such a great advantage, was enabled and buffered by governmental financing programs.
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He is a deadbeat when it comes to paying debt:
In 1990, due to excessive leveraging, The Trump Organization revealed that it was $5 billion in debt ($8.8 billion by some estimates), with $1 billion personally guaranteed by Trump himself. The survival of the company was made possible only by a bailout pact agreed upon in August of that same year by some 70 banks, allowing Trump to defer on nearly $1 billion in debt, as well as to take out second and third mortgages on almost all of his properties. If it were not for the collective effort of all banks and parties involved in that 1990 deal, Trump&#8217;s business would have gone bankrupt and failed.
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He is a typical conservative hypocrite:
Despite the clear societal and governmental assistance described above, Trump continues to be outspoken in his criticism of government.
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In summary:
From the moment of his birth, Trump was set up for success. The large inheritance left to him by his father, coupled with the contributions and the protections of society and the US government made his ascension to the Forbes 400 list almost inevitable. Nevertheless, Trump fails to recognize this phenomenon and continues to express his belief that he did it alone.
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Trump, like any other conservative out there, bitches and moanes about a $1.35 peanut butter sandwich in a public school, but freely gulps down millions of dollars in government funds for himself and others like him.

No conservative has ANY issue with an entity that controls people's lives - they have a problem when that entity looks into and controls their own lives (even when within their standards), and possibly allows someone not like themselves (poor and/or middle class) into the driver's seat of this entity.

He has gamed the system, for the benefit of himself and others like him. EDIT: And, he wants to make sure no one else can take that away.
 
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LegendKiller

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Newell Steamer said:
Trump is the smartest idiot on the planet.

http://www.alternet.org/story/15623..._government's_protection_mostly_did_the_trick

He is the ultimate corporate welfare queen;


He is a deadbeat when it comes to paying debt:


He is a typical conservative hypocrite:


In summary:


Trump, like any other conservative out there, bitches and moanes about a $1.35 peanut butter sandwich in a public school, but freely gulps down millions of dollars in government funds for himself and others like him.

No conservative has ANY issue with an entity that controls people's lives - they have a problem when that entity looks into and controls their own lives (even when within their standards), and possibly allows someone not like themselves (poor and/or middle class) into the driver's seat of this entity.

He has gamed the system, for the benefit of himself and others like him. EDIT: And, he wants to make sure no one else can take that away.
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Ya gotta love Liberals. First they attack his father for building homes under the FHA, a program that has supported tens of millions of people, then they attack him for risking too much and then having to utilize bankruptcy, just like tens of millions of people. Love the programs, hate the users (if they have money).

Has he ever said people didn't deserve some help? Has he ever denied that America helps people succeed? Has he ever said we need to shrink the government by eliminating social programs, like a Libertopian?

And you guys say others are racist. You call him a "typical conservative hypocrite" but fail to examine whether he has said any of those things. You just judge him by party affiliation, regardless of nuances, and pigeonhole him anywhere that you find convenient to your agenda. Why? Because you don't want to acknowledge that what he is saying, pretty much everything he is saying, is true.
 
Newell Steamer

Newell Steamer

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LegendKiller said:
Love the programs, hate the users (if they have money).
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No, I (speaking for myself) hate the users who want no one else to use the program.

And if you have the money, you should be able to do things on your own - like what most conservatives preach.

Instead, we get the usual crap; do as I say, not as I do.
 
WhipperSnapper

WhipperSnapper

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Oct 30, 2004
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Conscript said:
It's refreshing to see an honest candidate who doesn't change their stance to pander to a demographic. First candidate like that since that silly actor in the 80's who had no chance to become president. Unwind your panties libs, have a feeling it's going to be a long road ahead
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You don't seriously want him to last long in the Republican primary, do you? His honest opinions and stances are offending portions of the electorate (the Latino vote) and he comes off as being an overbearing pompous buffoon. His presence is damaging the Republican Party's image with the electorate, IMHO.

Can't wait to hear what he has to say about rape and abortion. ("Another Republican candidate said what (what!?!) about rape and abortion?")
 
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LegendKiller

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Newell Steamer said:
No, I (speaking for myself) hate the users who want no one else to use the program.

And if you have the money, you should be able to do things on your own - like what most conservatives preach.

Instead, we get the usual crap; do as I say, not as I do.
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Where has he said nobody can use those same programs? Has he bashed the FHA for providing subsidized loans? Or the US Bankrupty code for anybody needing bankruptcy relief? Has he bashed major social programs?
 
nickqt

nickqt

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Jan 15, 2015
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LegendKiller said:
Ya gotta love Liberals. First they attack his father for building homes under the FHA, a program that has supported tens of millions of people, then they attack him for risking too much and then having to utilize bankruptcy, just like tens of millions of people. Love the programs, hate the users (if they have money).

Has he ever said people didn't deserve some help? Has he ever denied that America helps people succeed? Has he ever said we need to shrink the government by eliminating social programs, like a Libertopian?

And you guys say others are racist. You call him a "typical conservative hypocrite" but fail to examine whether he has said any of those things. You just judge him by party affiliation, regardless of nuances, and pigeonhole him anywhere that you find convenient to your agenda. Why? Because you don't want to acknowledge that what he is saying, pretty much everything he is saying, is true.
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You're exactly right.

I sincerely hope that Donald Trump survives the primary process and is the 2016 Republican candidate for POTUS.

Please let this be so, Amen.
 
Charmonium

Charmonium

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Phokus said:
Trump is so out of touch, i mean really?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-...lash-to-be-quite-this-severe/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17

"Donald Trump: I didn't expect business backlash to be "quite this severe""
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To be completely practical, I don't think it matters that he's pissed off an entire voting block since Latinos weren't going to vote republican anyway. Jeb can give all of his speeches in english and espaniol and it's not going to matter.

But a lot of people on the right aren't happy with any of the amnesty/path to citizenship stuff so by completely alienating one group which he would have lost anyway, he gets some street cred with a much larger group.

If I'd thought he'd done this deliberately I'd call him a genius. But sometimes even dickwads can land on their feet - in spite of themselves.
 
Phokus

Phokus

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Charmonium said:
To be completely practical, I don't think it matters that he's pissed off an entire voting block since Latinos weren't going to vote republican anyway. Jeb can give all of his speeches in english and espaniol and it's not going to matter.

But a lot of people on the right aren't happy with any of the amnesty/path to citizenship stuff so by completely alienating one group which he would have lost anyway, he gets some street cred with a much larger group.

If I'd thought he'd done this deliberately I'd call him a genius. But sometimes even dickwads can land on their feet - in spite of themselves.
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The point was he fucked his business empire and he was never a serious candidate to begin with so any bump in political brownie points is meaningless to him.
 
Charmonium

Charmonium

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Phokus said:
The point was he fucked his business empire and he was never a serious candidate to begin with so any bump in political brownie points is meaningless to him.
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Is that really true though? I mean sure, he's about as close to being a media pariah now w/o having people with pitchforks and torches coming after you. But what has he really lost? Celebrity Apprentice? Some hotel bookings? I don't know for a fact that this has really cost him that much.

Isn't he primarily a real estate developer? I don't think what he said really surprised anyone that knows him or with whom he does business. And the only people who are likely to care are public companies like broadcasters who have to worry about advertisers.
 
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