Donald Trump directly responsible for the death of a mentally ill LEGAL immigrant.

HomerJS

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I wanted the title to read "Trump kills a mentally ill legal immigrant" I was worried mods would alter to something that does not reflect the heinousness of this story. Mods if that is ok I will update title.

No. It wouldn't be okay. Trump didn't kill him.
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I'll let people read the article. Here are the cliff notes.

Couple living in Iraq part of Chaldean Christian minority are in mortal danger.
Couple escapes to Greece. 6 months later they give birth to a son, Jimmy
Couple seeks asylum in the US based on religious persecution and it is granted.
Jimmy has mental illness (paranoid schizophrenia) and requires constant doses of insulin to stay alive.
Jimmy spent a great deal of his adult life homeless. He also committed various crime to the level of B&E. Petty theft.
Because of Trump's travel ban of which Iraq was a part Jimmy could not be sent back.
Trump struck a deal with Iraq. Lift travel ban and we can deport people back to Iraq.
Jimmy was deported based on his criminal record. Not taking into account his mental illness.
Jimmy was living on the streets in Iraq. He was unable to get insulin and dies at the age of 41.

https://time.com/5648075/brother-dies-iraq-deportation/


https://time.com/5648075/brother-dies-iraq-deportation/
 
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jman19

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What's another dead Iraqi worth? Bush already put up yuge numbers there.
 

BoomerD

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Trump is not responsible for the guy being a fucktard criminal...mental illness is not an excuse for criminal behavior.
 

Meghan54

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Trump is not responsible for the guy being a fucktard criminal...mental illness is not an excuse for criminal behavior.

But it is an excuse for shooting up a store/church/bunch of innocent victims or bashing some kid's head in when he didn't remove it for the Nat'l Anthem's playing, right?
 

pcgeek11

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The article said the Family is working to have his body returned to the US for burial.

Where was the family when he was in the US and needed Mental Health Support before he got into trouble and deportation.

It sounds bad on the surface (intentionally) for the administration, but from the article it seems she didn't even know he was deported.

It was Iraqi immigration agent, calling from the Shi’ite-controlled city of Najaf in southern Iraq. The agent was with Aldaoud’s older brother, Jimmy Aldaoud, whom the agent said had just been deported by U.S. immigration authorities. Rita Aldaoud was shocked.
 

WelshBloke

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Trump is not responsible for the guy being a fucktard criminal...mental illness is not an excuse for criminal behavior.

Letting people with treatable illnesses become homeless and not get the medical attention they need to mitigate their illness and prevent their medical problem becoming a criminal one is the fault of government though.
 
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HomerJS

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The article said the Family is working to have his body returned to the US for burial.

Where was the family when he was in the US and needed Mental Health Support before he got into trouble and deportation.

It sounds bad on the surface (intentionally) for the administration, but from the article it seems she didn't even know he was deported.
Jimmy was an adult so my guess the families options were limited. Also Jimmy was not a citizen so probably more complicated.
 

HomerJS

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But it is an excuse for shooting up a store/church/bunch of innocent victims or bashing some kid's head in when he didn't remove it for the Nat'l Anthem's playing, right?
and the pipe bomber's lawyers used it to get their client a lighter sentence.
 

pcgeek11

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Jimmy was an adult so my guess the families options were limited. Also Jimmy was not a citizen so probably more complicated.

Exactly, he was an Adult. His family couldn't do anything as he is a private person and a non citizen. If the government had scooped him up and had him placed into a mental health facility against his wishes it would have produced another outrage about them interfering with his freedom to live his life his way.
 

HomerJS

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Exactly, he was an Adult. His family couldn't do anything as he is a private person and a non citizen. If the government had scooped him up and had him placed into a mental health facility against his wishes it would have produced another outrage about them interfering with his freedom to live his life his way.
He died because Trump shipped him to Iraq. At least he was alive here.

Jimmy had never lived in that country and did not speak the language. Nice job by your guy.
 

pcgeek11

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He died because Trump shipped him to Iraq. At least he was alive here.

Jimmy had never lived in that country and did not speak the language. Nice job by your guy.


Where should he have been deported to?

Jimmy was a non citizen.
Jimmy's family would not help him.
Jimmy was a criminal.
Jimmy got deported.
 

BoomerD

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But it is an excuse for shooting up a store/church/bunch of innocent victims or bashing some kid's head in when he didn't remove it for the Nat'l Anthem's playing, right?

Ot in my opinion...that fuckhead should be locked up.
 

BoomerD

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Being an immigrant in this country requires you don't break laws...if his mental illness is THAT bad, why didn't his family get him committed instead of letting him become homeless and a criminal?
 

blackangst1

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Letting people with treatable illnesses become homeless and not get the medical attention they need to mitigate their illness and prevent their medical problem becoming a criminal one is the fault of government though.

Thats been happening with war vets for 50 years.
 

BoomerD

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Thats been happening with war vets for 50 years.

It's not the government's job to provide medical and mental health services for the population in the USA...vets are a different category...especially if their problems are service related. The government owns those problems.
Want the government to provide healthcare? Vote for elected officials who will get it done.
 

blackangst1

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It's not the government's job to provide medical and mental health services for the population in the USA...vets are a different category...especially if their problems are service related. The government owns those problems.
Want the government to provide healthcare? Vote for elected officials who will get it done.

As Ive said before...based on how the VA and indian reservations are working...no thanks.
 

theeedude

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Republican policies are killing diabetics in the US too:

https://www.10tv.com/article/virgin...in-was-unable-afford-brand-he-needed-2019-aug
LEESBURG, Va. (AP) — Josh Wilkerson was alone, in sleeping quarters above the Northern Virginia dog kennel where he worked, when he suffered a series of strokes that would prove fatal.

He had aged out of his stepfather's health insurance plan on his 26th birthday and eventually switched to over-the-counter insulin. Like many other diabetics his age, he could not afford the prescription brand he needed.


A few hours after taking another dose of the lower-grade medication that June day in Leesburg, Wilkerson was in the throes of a diabetic coma — his blood sugar level 17 times higher than what is considered normal.

Free markets got him.