Don Imus Hypocrisy

[Dari]

It's ironic that the people who said that Don Imus should not be fired and that his listeners should have the final say (by staying or leaving) are the same ones who say that black leaders should fight the negative stereotype of blacks and women by rappers. On the one hand you want people to vote with their feet while on the other hand, you want the rappers muzzled by activists. The truth is black leaders, as far as I can remember back to the late 1980s have been fighting rappers and the music industry about their use of inflammatory lyrics and debauchery. But it was the music executives and (non-black) youngsters that bought these albums and give the former and their black rappers the green light to continue apace, ignoring the black leaders such as Reverend Butts, Sharpton, and countless others.

The truth is, if you want people to vote with their feet, then urge those that buy rap music to stop as well. If you feel that it is their right to do so, then don't complain about the music because no "double-standard" exists and don't complain about black leaders when they decry racism in all its forms. The truth is, black leaders have fought racism, whether internal or external, all along. They have been consistent.

 

[techs]

Here's some real hypocrisy for you. the New York Sunday News, right wing radical newspaper, had on its front page "The Rap on Dems" which was a "news" story saying the Democrats are hypocrites for accepting the support of rap stars, record execs, etc that produce hip-hop music. Now why an opinion piece is on the front page of a supposed 'Newspaper" is beyond me, but in this day of Fox style propaganda I guess anytime you want to you can publish your "opinion" as a fake news story.
Whats the hypocrisy? Imus has been using the term ho's and nappy headed, and denigrating the Catholic Church, etc for years.
AND REPUBLICANS LIKE RICK SANTORUM APPEARED ON HIS SHOW REGULARY AND ACCEPTED IMUS'S ENDORSEMENT OF THEIR CANDIDACY.
In fact Imus supports far more Republicans than Democrats.

 

[blackangst1]

Actually, his listeners dont have final say. The advertisers do. All radio personalities are simply advertisers. Listers dont make a network money - advertisers do. Period.

As far as Imus being fired...its too bad. Another example of the stifling of free speech. Pretty soon all radio shows will be so politially correct they'll all be the same. Which is a shame. I look at media in general like a potato salad. It has a mayo and potato base, but it also has bits of celery, bits of this, bits of that. Thats what makes it so delicious. The watering down of free speech is the equivalence of putting said potato salad in a blender until you cant tell the difference between the celery and the potato. So sad.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: techs
Here's some real hypocrisy for you. the New York Sunday News, right wing radical newspaper, had on its front page "The Rap on Dems" which was a "news" story saying the Democrats are hypocrites for accepting the support of rap stars, record execs, etc that produce hip-hop music. Now why an opinion piece is on the front page of a supposed 'Newspaper" is beyond me, but in this day of Fox style propaganda I guess anytime you want to you can publish your "opinion" as a fake news story.
Whats the hypocrisy? Imus has been using the term ho's and nappy headed, and denigrating the Catholic Church, etc for years.
AND REPUBLICANS LIKE RICK SANTORUM APPEARED ON HIS SHOW REGULARY AND ACCEPTED IMUS'S ENDORSEMENT OF THEIR CANDIDACY.
In fact Imus supports far more Republicans than Democrats.

lol. I guess all this hyporcisy will turn us all into cynics. And that opinion piece setup as a news-story can only expedite the metamorphosis. These are sad times.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: techs
Here's some real hypocrisy for you. the New York Sunday News, right wing radical newspaper, had on its front page "The Rap on Dems" which was a "news" story saying the Democrats are hypocrites for accepting the support of rap stars, record execs, etc that produce hip-hop music. Now why an opinion piece is on the front page of a supposed 'Newspaper" is beyond me, but in this day of Fox style propaganda I guess anytime you want to you can publish your "opinion" as a fake news story.
Whats the hypocrisy? Imus has been using the term ho's and nappy headed, and denigrating the Catholic Church, etc for years.
AND REPUBLICANS LIKE RICK SANTORUM APPEARED ON HIS SHOW REGULARY AND ACCEPTED IMUS'S ENDORSEMENT OF THEIR CANDIDACY.
In fact Imus supports far more Republicans than Democrats.

So what? Hillary went to a support gala in GA that featured 50 cent and few other rappers doing a benefit concert, and she says nothing of their lyrics yet blasts Imus? That my friend is hypocracy. You example isnt, really.

 

[Moonbeam]

Huh! That is a rather interesting point and not one that I had thought about. Thinking about it more, I tried to look at my own perspective which only created more questions. It makes perfect sense in a free society to allow people to vote with their feet and this is an attitude often expressed by the media in areas where say, the religious right wants to suppress, say, the decline in moral values depicted in Hollywood films, so to speak.

In a pluralistic society people have different ideas about what is moral or decent or proper, etc. But we do, for example, actively discriminate against child pornography and will not accept there's a market for it.

My own personal feelings about the rap and ho scene tend to want to lump it as somewhere in a similarly mentally sick category that should not be tolerated in the open market that makes an effort to protect the sexually exploited. Why should young (often) black men with profound cases of inferiority be allowed to build a false sense of superiority on the backs of (often) black women. The ultimate result will be a culture supportive of violence toward women and a bunch of swaggering idiotic males.

But hey, it's a free market, right.

Well, the real question that Dari raises for me is, just how much do I believe in live and let live and where and how do I draw the line. Am I my brother's keeper. How far do I push my own moral beliefs into the law I want to be governed by. What objective standard is there for morality, good taste, and the proper steering of culture that leads to evolution of some spiritual ideal.

The real fact for me is that Imus would be gone in five seconds in my world. But then again, in my world that would happen via voting with feet. Still, I do believe that like rap and a million other forms of what people in their illness what to see, it would be better for the evolution of human culture if the culturally more advanced rather than than primitive backward idiots led the way. That is a very dangerous form of thinking because I don't know anybody who does not think of him or herself, in particular, as being cutting edge culturally advanced. The Taliban certainly do.

I come again right back to something I have said before. All that one can do is to try to live up to ones own ideals and love. You can change nobody and all efforts to do so are in some why a form of tyranny. And yet we have the right to protect ourselves from the tyranny of others. To be or not to be........to take arms against a sea of trouble and by opposing end them, or to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune? Down this path we grope our way blindly. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..... Give me the strength to change what I can change, to accept what I cannot and the wisdom to know the difference.......

Fascinating.

 

[cKGunslinger]

What about the fact that Sharpton wants to "work with the rappers and the black entertainment community" to clean up their racist and misogynistic language, yet his stated goal behind the Imus incident was to make sure that he was fired? Why didn't he try to "work with" Imus?

He wants to give the benefit of the doubt to an industry that makes its living in a concerted and deliberate method to incite feelings of hatred, isolation, and belittlement of those that differ from them - but Imus's off-the-cuff, throw-away comment of stupidity apparently necessitates the swift and vengeful wrath of Sharpton. This whole incident could have been a great educational tool, yet it became nothing more than the public flexing of a ill-gotten power-trip.

Hypocrisy, indeed.

 

[Wheezer]

I would like to see Don Imus copyright "nappy headed ho"

That way when entertainment incorporates it and make a big joke about it as they will eventually, they will not only show what hypocrites they are, they'll have to pay him to do it.

 

[IGBT]

..imus simply parrotts pop culture lexicon. if you listen to rap you've been listening to abusive crap for years.