Domestic terrorism alive and well

[Texashiker]

Ali Muhammad Brown is accused of killing a 19-year-old in New Jersey and three men in Washington State. According to court documents, the 29-year-old claimed he wanted to kill the teen as an act of 'vengeance' to retaliate for U.S. military action in the Middle East.

In addition to Tevlin's murder, Brown has been charged will fatally shooting three men in Seattle. All four men were gunned down in remote areas late at night, NJ.com reported.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ance-military-article-1.1911964#ixzz3DO9x6RMI

Now that president obama is finally taking action against isis, will acts of domestic terrorism increase?

I see an entire generation of young men who only know conflict. Starting in 1990 right through today there has been some kind of ongoing conflict with the United States in the middle east. In the 1980s we were in a war by proxy with Russia.

Maybe George sr had the right idea. Go in, take care of business, get out. By staying in the Iraq for a decade we have bred a generation of angry young men.

As Malcolm X once said, the chickens have come home to roost.

I worry that the longer we stay in the middle east, the more reasons we give young men to attack. Instead of a Boston bombing, we see muslims committing acts of murder.

Someone may say we have no business in the middle east. I somewhat agree. But we also have an interest in preventing genocide. How can we build memorials to holocaust victims, then do nothing during the next genocide?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How can we build memorials to holocaust victims, then do nothing during the next genocide?

We're stupid but not doing genocide. Regarding the criminal in question, he's a murderer looking for excuses. Bye bye.

 

[Jaskalas]

What we're facing is not just a physical enemy, but an idea as well. Ideas spread via the internet and when they're as vile as ISIS and religious extremism it "infects" susceptible people across the globe.

One of the dangers of global communication is that people develop loyalties for foreign things that are antithetical to America. Combine that with a high rate of immigration and the chances of spreading those hateful loyalties increases.

The "war" on terror really begins here, at home on American soil for the hearts and minds of people living among us. Not for Arabs on the other side of the planet. We are highly susceptible to this sort of terrorism because it comes "from within". It is a threat our oceans cannot protect us from, given modern circumstances.

How does one protect against an idea?
How do we vaccinate our people from foreign loyalties?

First idea is simple, yes we stay out of the Middle East as much as possible. If we're going to be involved we shouldn't be the front-men on the ground doing to "dirty" work. This isn't our war, it is theirs. We should be building an alliance of strong, stable members whose own vested interest is in the defeat of genocidal freaks like ISIS. We should encourage them and support them to take action.

Put a Muslim face on a Muslim problem. It'd become less "us VS them".

Second idea is to promote moderates here at home. To encourage peaceful teachings and to support / empower those who oppose violence. To enable the face of Islam to be something other than the genocidal ideas of ISIS. Our communications need to reflect that ISIS is not Islam, that the peaceful Muslims that we support are the face of Islam.

We can choose who represents them, and in doing so turn their ideas towards peace.

 

[Texashiker]

How do we vaccinate our people from foreign loyalties?

National pride is a thing of the past. Free trade and mass immigration dilutes the idea of nationalism. There was once a time when the United States did no do business with communist. Now we have free trade agreements with communist nations.

I am not picking on hispanics, but they are a good example. When someone immigrants to another nation, they are expected to integrate - learn the language, learn the culture, integrate.

There are stories of hispanics being in the US for 20 years and not learning english. We have the cuban communities in Florida, Little China,,,, and other areas where certain minorities group together. There is nothing wrong with that.

If you do not want to integrate, fine, go do your own thing. As long as your follow the law and live in peace, do your own thing.

One of the main goals of moving to the United States is to live in peace. We all want to live in peace regardless of our religion, race, or lack of religion.

That mindset worked fine for 200+ years. But now we have a violent sect who desires to harm others. They are not here to live in peace, they are here to harm others.

 

[Jaskalas]

National pride is a thing of the past. Free trade and mass immigration dilutes the idea of nationalism. There was once a time when the United States did no do business with communist. Now we have free trade agreements with communist nations.

That's not exactly what I'm saying.

Our trade with China is probably the greatest peace keeper the world has seen this side of MAD. Our mutual economic interests force us to play nice together. Notice as China gets stronger, the less reliant it is on us, the more it begins to assert itself in the region. To claim new territory.

If they weren't reliant on us at all, economically, they would have kept on invading people a LONG time ago. Building economic ties provides stability to the world.

I am not picking on hispanics

Though the principles of integration are the same, I'm not discussing other groups. We have plenty of Muslim immigrants who seem to be more relevant to your topic.

One of the main goals of moving to the United States is to live in peace. We all want to live in peace regardless of our religion, race, or lack of religion.

That mindset worked fine for 200+ years. But now we have a violent sect who desires to harm others. They are not here to live in peace, they are here to harm others.

Do you realize that a 100% American national, born and raised, can pickup the ideals of ISIS? Loyalty to foreign ideas is not limited to immigrants, I merely mention that they are more susceptible. The actual point is that we aren't fighting a physical entity. We are fighting ideas, genocidal ideas that would set the world on fire if it could.

I am saying that oceans do not protect us from this. We don't face a physical threat per say, least not until it has time to grow. We face the communication of extremism, and it spreads among the population like a disease.

We need to better integrate people, we need to better tackle the Middle East in a way that is not communicated as "us VS them", and we need to address Islam in a way that does not speak of it as evil. We need to stop communicating that ISIS is the face of Islam, and pick better people to hold up on that pedestal. Gentle folks who many people follow and share connection with.

Human society faces a disease of the mind. It needs to be examined and dealt with as such. These individual cases aren't the problem, they're a symptom of a much greater problem. We will never be immune, but we must do what we can to minimize the appeal this disease has on the young, and the vulnerable. So that they do not become wrapped up in extremism.

 

[Texashiker]

Do you realize that a 100% American national, born and raised, can pickup the ideals of ISIS?

Loyalty to foreign ideas is not limited to immigrants, I merely mention that they are more susceptible. The actual point is that we aren't fighting a physical entity. We are fighting ideas, genocidal ideas that would set the world on fire if it could.

Of course loyalty to foreign ideas is not limited to immigrants.

How can we say to support Israel, but not support IS? Support England, but not support Russia?

The government says free trade with communist china is a good thing. But we have trade sanctions on Iran? Don't both nations have a terrible record on human rights violations?

We need to better integrate people, we need to better tackle the Middle East in a way that is not communicated as "us VS them", and we need to address Islam in a way that does not speak of it as evil. We need to stop communicating that ISIS is the face of Islam, and pick better people to hold up on that pedestal. Gentle folks who many people follow and share connection with.

The world is dealing with an ideology that is not interested in integration.

 

[Moonbeam]

We're stupid but not doing genocide. Regarding the criminal in question, he's a murderer looking for excuses. Bye bye.

Well, that was short and to the point. Perhaps the story spooked hiker's amygdala and he took a dive off the deep end.

 

[Jaskalas]

The world is dealing with an ideology that is not interested in integration.

Treating the disease itself is important, but I speak for preventing its spread.

When we launch wars it becomes popular to oppose us. When we use drone strikes on civilians it becomes easy to hate us. When members of our society communicate that Islam is evil and ISIS is its face, we help convince vulnerable people that their Islamic roots connect them to our enemy, that it's their "duty" to join the fight against us.

It is in our fight that we make mistakes and polarize moderates. We drive a wedge and communicate to them that their connection to Islam is a connection to extremists. When instead we should be supporting the notion that we all stand together against extremism.

Integration is how we minimize their recruitment.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yes, right wing domestic terrorism is a much larger threat to America then ISIS will ever be

 

[WHAMPOM]

National pride is a thing of the past. Free trade and mass immigration dilutes the idea of nationalism. There was once a time when the United States did no do business with communist. Now we have free trade agreements with communist nations.

I am not picking on hispanics, but they are a good example. When someone immigrants to another nation, they are expected to integrate - learn the language, learn the culture, integrate.

There are stories of hispanics being in the US for 20 years and not learning english. We have the cuban communities in Florida, Little China,,,, and other areas where certain minorities group together. There is nothing wrong with that.

If you do not want to integrate, fine, go do your own thing. As long as your follow the law and live in peace, do your own thing.

One of the main goals of moving to the United States is to live in peace. We all want to live in peace regardless of our religion, race, or lack of religion.

That mindset worked fine for 200+ years. But now we have a violent sect who desires to harm others. They are not here to live in peace, they are here to harm others.

What culture? The USofA is a country of immigrants and back in 1776 just a few votes short of having German as the official language.

 

[Texashiker]

Treating the disease itself is important, but I speak for preventing its spread.

Several years ago I was reading an article about crime. What was interesting about this article was it cited Half-Life 2.

When the combine are chasing Gordon Freeman, the combine can be heard saying "outbreak." Gordon was seen as a disease. It is an interesting concept that is not discussed very often, that maybe crime should be treated like a disease.

If someone wishes to align themselves with radical islam, isn't that their right? Law enforcement only gets involved after a crime has been committed.

We as a society have no measures to stop radical islam from spreading like a disease. For the most part it can not be stopped. Freedom of religion is a right. To say otherwise is to be a bigot, or anti-islam, maybe even a fear monger.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, that was short and to the point. Perhaps the story spooked hiker's amygdala and he took a dive off the deep end.

It does make me wonder.

If he were to have read beyond the headline it would be seen that he murdered more than one person and none of those were even hinted at being politically or ideologically motivated. This is a career criminal who killed someone and seems to be looking for a justification and of course the usual suspects bit. Brown can claim anything, but that doesn't give it legs.

 

[Texashiker]

Brown can claim anything, but that doesn't give it legs.

His claims can plant a seed in the mind of others.

 

[ivwshane]

What we're facing is not just a physical enemy, but an idea as well. Ideas spread via the internet and when they're as vile as ISIS and religious extremism it "infects" susceptible people across the globe.

One of the dangers of global communication is that people develop loyalties for foreign things that are antithetical to America. Combine that with a high rate of immigration and the chances of spreading those hateful loyalties increases.

The "war" on terror really begins here, at home on American soil for the hearts and minds of people living among us. Not for Arabs on the other side of the planet. We are highly susceptible to this sort of terrorism because it comes "from within". It is a threat our oceans cannot protect us from, given modern circumstances.

How does one protect against an idea?
How do we vaccinate our people from foreign loyalties?

First idea is simple, yes we stay out of the Middle East as much as possible. If we're going to be involved we shouldn't be the front-men on the ground doing to "dirty" work. This isn't our war, it is theirs. We should be building an alliance of strong, stable members whose own vested interest is in the defeat of genocidal freaks like ISIS. We should encourage them and support them to take action.

Put a Muslim face on a Muslim problem. It'd become less "us VS them".

Second idea is to promote moderates here at home. To encourage peaceful teachings and to support / empower those who oppose violence. To enable the face of Islam to be something other than the genocidal ideas of ISIS. Our communications need to reflect that ISIS is not Islam, that the peaceful Muslims that we support are the face of Islam.

We can choose who represents them, and in doing so turn their ideas towards peace.

Here! Here! I've been saying that the war on terror is a war of propaganda for a while now and you can't defeat an idea with conventional weapons. Sadly it's a lesson most US citizens refuse to learn which produces a government that makes the same mistake again and again.

 

[Jhhnn]

One of the dangers of global communication is that people develop loyalties for foreign things that are antithetical to America.

For a second there, I thought you were talking about Mittens' loyalties to Bermudian tax law, or perhaps the affinity of our job creators to offshore labor.

Probably not.

Domestic Terrorism? You're probably not talking about the economic terrorism of boom/bust free market financialized multinational capitalism, either.

You're probably not talking about terrorism by the state, particularly conservative state in the context of incarceration rates-

http://publichealth****************...ghlights-racial-disparities-in-incarceration/

Maybe you're talking about the armed insurrection out there in the Nevada desert.

Not that either.

I also need to apologize for what I offered prior to editing it out.

 

[Jaskalas]

Maybe you're talking about the armed insurrection out there in the Nevada desert.

You have to admit, few people would have stood for that rancher if there wasn't an easy means of riling them up to do so. The initial context was that they were out to get him for "no good reason". The internet allows for a great sharing of ideas, even wrong ones.

That case has other issues I'd rather address in its own topic.

Do you stand oppose to what I have said here, that extremism has been spread and our actions have been improper in dealing with it? There are Americans so outraged by 911 and following events that they'd see EVERY SINGLE Muslim driven out of this country. They'd glass the deserts of the Middle East in an act of bloody vengeance.

Yet you appear incensed when I speak of seeking a peaceful resolution for Islamic extremism. I speak towards my ideals of seeing Arab nations fighting ISIS, of the United States supporting them as they take the lead in handling their own affairs. Towards seeking out and empowering moderates here at home, to change the public face of Islam so one does not look it up and find only terror.

In that world of mine, there would be a Muslim community who we personally know and cherish as fellow Americans. Young Americans would look to them, not ISIS, for inspiration.

Do not spend our time nitpicking a few words if the ideals they try to explain are shared among us. For if wedges are driven and push comes to shove, then dreams of peace are shattered. America has spent enough time playing up divisions these past few decades. We need not contribute to the escalation.

 

[Darwin333]

Someone may say we have no business in the middle east. I somewhat agree. But we also have an interest in preventing genocide. How can we build memorials to holocaust victims, then do nothing during the next genocide?

Shouldn't Africa be much more of a priority then?

 

[Fern]

Yes, right wing domestic terrorism is a much larger threat to America then ISIS will ever be

^This is why I don't like the OP's thread title.

The term "domestic terror" is assumed by many people to be non-Islamic terrorism by US nationals (e.g., bomb abortion clinic).

This appears to be another example of mis-classifying domestic Islamic terrorism as something else, similar to the Fort Hood shootings (aka "workplace violence").

Fern

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

His claims can plant a seed in the mind of others.

He's Lamont Cranston?

 

[Orignal Earl]

^This is why I don't like the OP's thread title.

The term "domestic terror" is assumed by many people to be non-Islamic terrorism by US nationals (e.g., bomb abortion clinic).

This appears to be another example of mis-classifying domestic Islamic terrorism as something else, similar to the Fort Hood shootings (aka "workplace violence").

Fern

Out of all the right wing domestic terrorists in the US, the Islamic ones are barely a blip on the radar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#United_States