Dole Questions Kerry's Vietnam Wounds

Riprorin

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Dole told CNN's "Late Edition" that he warned Kerry months ago about going "too far" and that the Democrat may have himself to blame for the current situation, in which polls show him losing support among veterans.

"One day he's saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his medals or his ribbons," Dole said. "The next day he's standing there, `I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran.' Maybe he should apologize to all the other 2.5 million veterans who served. He wasn't the only one in Vietnam," said Dole, whose World War II wounds left him without the use of his right arm.

Dole added: "And here's, you know, a good guy, a good friend. I respect his record. But three Purple Hearts and never bled that I know of. I mean, they're all superficial wounds. Three Purple Hearts and you're out."

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Wheatmaster

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wow won't these freaking people drop it? who cares wtf happened in vietnam when the main issues are wtf are we going to be doing for the future! jebus
 

Riprorin

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I know how much you Kerry supporters would like to silence decorated war heroes, but it ain't going to happen.
 

AcidicFury

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Rip, Give up!!!! This election is about what should happen in the future. Not what different old guys remember about the past. If you are reduced to this petty crap, then you are seriously much less intelligent than I thought you were.
 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
wow won't these freaking people drop it? who cares wtf happened in vietnam when the main issues are wtf are we going to be doing for the future! jebus

It is my opinion that this is not being dropped because Kerry will not face the SBVFT face to face. There is a large percentage of people in this country that would like to know the truth, and think this is a big deal. Kerry is making a big stink that this is an issue, and blaming many people and organizations for the questions that are being asked, but he is not going directly to the source of the accusations face to face and settle this once and for all.

Which is silly, cause with all the issues that need to be discussed and debated for the future of the country... this, unfortunately, is on most of the front pages, and dominates the topics in forums like this.

Personally, I think that if Kerry were to face off with SBVFT... not question who is behind it all... but face them and settle this, we might get this over with already and get to the business of discussing the real issues of the perils that face the nation.

:)
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: AcidicFury
Rip, Give up!!!! This election is about what should happen in the future. Not what different old guys remember about the past. If you are reduced to this petty crap, then you are seriously much less intelligent than I thought you were.

And you want a guy who's asking us to vote for him based on lies and who's trying to silence his opponents by using Nazi tactics to preside over the oval office?
 

Ogi

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what nazi tactics?

bush is the one using nazi tactics by endorcing the patriot act and limiting civil librities.

Ogi
 

wnied

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It's dissapointing that Bob Dole would lower himself enough to enter this assinine debate

Especially considering the Jackass Draft Dodging Frat Boy his party put in office and is currently backing for re-election!
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Dole told CNN's "Late Edition" that he warned Kerry months ago about going "too far" and that the Democrat may have himself to blame for the current situation, in which polls show him losing support among veterans.

"One day he's saying that we were shooting civilians, cutting off their ears, cutting off their heads, throwing away his medals or his ribbons," Dole said. "The next day he's standing there, `I want to be president because I'm a Vietnam veteran.' Maybe he should apologize to all the other 2.5 million veterans who served. He wasn't the only one in Vietnam," said Dole, whose World War II wounds left him without the use of his right arm.

Dole added: "And here's, you know, a good guy, a good friend. I respect his record. But three Purple Hearts and never bled that I know of. I mean, they're all superficial wounds. Three Purple Hearts and you're out."

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From Talking Points
Today Bob Dole suggested that one or more of John Kerry's Purple Hearts may have been fraudulent in some way because they were for "superficial wounds."

Dole knows better.

In a 1988 campaign-trail autobiography, here's how Dole described the incident that earned him his first Purple Heart: "As we approached the enemy, there was a brief exchange of gunfire. I took a grenade in hand, pulled the pin, and tossed it in the direction of the farmhouse. It wasn't a very good pitch (remember, I was used to catching passes, not throwing them). In the darkness, the grenade must have struck a tree and bounced off. It exploded nearby, sending a sliver of metal into my leg--the sort of injury the Army patched up with Mercurochrome and a Purple Heart."
 

351Cleveland

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
I know how much you Kerry supporters would like to silence decorated war heroes, but it ain't going to happen.

With all respect, who made Senator Kerry's war record the issue? Hint: He's the Democratic nominee for President.

I would LOVE to focus on events and records since then, as well as what each candidate has in mind for the future, but so far, Senator Kerry has chosen to focus on his war record. Frankly, if he has a plan to get us out of Iraq while stabilizing the country, I am all ears.
 

wnied

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Kerry is making a big stink that this is an issue, and blaming many people and organizations for the questions that are being asked, but he is not going directly to the source of the accusations face to face and settle this once and for all.

He never brought this up, others did. Those others were his critics. Funny how those "people who want to know the truth" seem to want to fabricate just enough doubt to cause a legitimate veteran, who fought in theater, to defend himself. Yet the people who currently sit in office, and finance these jackass blowhards, have absolutely NO service records to speak of!!

Shine the light brightest on those who sit in shadow and cast aspersions, and let their true selves be shown!

George W. Bush is a Fraud.

Elect Kerry.

~wnied~
 

351Cleveland

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Originally posted by: Ogi
what nazi tactics?

bush is the one using nazi tactics by endorcing the patriot act and limiting civil librities.

Ogi

How has the Patriot Act affected you? Obviously you have a distaste for it, do you have experience with it?

I havent had experience with it. I sit here thinking "huh, its been almost 3 years, and it hasnt changed my life." Maybe you have a different perspective from your personal experience.
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: AcidicFury
Rip, Give up!!!! This election is about what should happen in the future. Not what different old guys remember about the past. If you are reduced to this petty crap, then you are seriously much less intelligent than I thought you were.

And you want a guy who's asking us to vote for him based on lies and who's trying to silence his opponents by using Nazi tactics to preside over the oval office?

Are you talking about Bush or Kerry, cause I'm thinking you're talking about the former.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Ogi
what nazi tactics?

bush is the one using nazi tactics by endorcing the patriot act and limiting civil librities.

Ogi

I, John Forbes Kerry, Do Solemnly Swear that I will to the Best of My Ability, Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States? NOT!?
?They are playing politics with the Law.? (The Associated Press)

?This frivolous complaint is not worth the paper it is written on.? (CNN)

?Lawyers fire away when their candidate drops in the polls.? (CNN)

?[D]isplaying a terrifying disregard for the values of free speech and openness which underlie our democracy.? (Talon News)

?This is nothing more than an election year ploy.? (Talon News)

You might think these quotes are from angered veterans in response to John Kerry?s FEC complaint alleging illegal coordination between ?Swift Boat Veterans for Truth? and the Bush Reelection Campaign, but they are not. These quotes come from officials at Moveon.org, the Kerry Campaign, and other prominent Liberals in response to the Bush Campaign?s FEC complaint in April alleging illegal coordination between the Kerry Campaign and the myriad of liberal ?527? organizations. So what is the difference? There must be one because the Democratic groups whose eyes nearly popped out of their heads decrying Bush?s ?assault on the Republic? are now curiously silent. Once again, the Left is showing us that in the Liberal world, freedom of speech is a one way street.

On the surface, the brouhaha surrounding the ad campaign of the ?Swift Boat Vets? sounds no different than the commotion created by Moveon.org?s various attack ads on Bush. Both campaigns are crying foul, and both are filing complaints with the FEC that will result in nothing more than what we already know: the McCain-Feingold Act was a bad idea. But there is one key difference, and it should send a chill down the spine of every freedom loving American. John Kerry wants to ban books.

The Nazi tactics used by the Kerry Campaign to trample the rights of the Swift Boat Vets; from pandering to left leaning book store managers to either not order the Swift Boat Vets? book, ?Unfit for Command?, or display it in a low traffic area, to trying to harass Regnery Publishing to discontinue printing the book, to threatening lawsuits to any media outlet that runs their ads, goes below the nadir of even the worse political mudslinging. This is America for God?s sake, not 1938 Berlin! Even more startling is the apparent personal arrogance of John Kerry who evidently sees no ethical issue with stifling political dissent so long as it might further his megalomaniacal dreams of power. And some of you want this man defending your freedom?

If John Kerry wishes to criticize or condemn the Swift Boat Vets, that is his right. Obviously, any person should be afforded the opportunity to answer and retort charges of the nature being made against Kerry. However, instead of refuting the charges made by over 200 Vietnam veterans who served with Kerry, including his entire chain of command, Kerry is trying to silence them. That is honestly scary. Is this what we can expect from a John Kerry Presidency? Does John Kerry consider himself above any other laws that we should know about? Hopefully, we will not have to find out.

For all the power wielded by the President of the United States, the Oath of Office taken on the steps of the Capitol is very simple. The President swears to faithfully execute his office and defend the Constitution from which all of our rights are derived. Americans should demand that their Presidential candidates exemplify their commitment to these values even before the Oath is taken. To be blunt, that means you do not try to ban books, even if you happen to disagree with them.

I do not know if the Swift Boat Vets are telling the truth. I do not know if their stated motivations and beliefs are genuine. But one thing I do know is that they have a right to say it. The Vets are right on another issue as well. In light of his actions in response to the Vets criticism, John Kerry is definitely ?Unfit for Command?.

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Originally posted by: wnied
Kerry is making a big stink that this is an issue, and blaming many people and organizations for the questions that are being asked, but he is not going directly to the source of the accusations face to face and settle this once and for all.

He never brought this up, others did. Those others were his critics. Funny how those "people who want to know the truth" seem to want to fabricate just enough doubt to cause a legitimate veteran, who fought in theater, to defend himself. Yet the people who currently sit in office, and finance these jackass blowhards, have absolutely NO service records to speak of!!

Shine the light brightest on those who sit in shadow and cast aspersions, and let their true selves be shown!

George W. Bush is a Fraud.

Elect Kerry.

~wnied~

Actually, Kerry did bring it up... he spent months going on and on and on about being a war hero and yada yada yada... and left himself wide open for critism by anyone who wanted to get at him for what he talked about most. Now if he wants to settle the whole SBVFT issue, one would think that he would go directly to them and debate them. It should not be too hard a thing to do. The SBVFT are apparently having trouble with tractions/misinformation/conflict of interests. One would think that this would be a perfect time for Kerry to face them and dispel all the rumors and attacks once and for all.

This entire issue is a waste of time. Time that would be better spent discussing the issue that face the country.

:)
 

Riprorin

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Kerry started off his speech at the DNC by saying "John Kerry, reporting for duty".

Do you think that Bob Dole would have ever said anything so insipid and lame?
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Kerry started off his speech at the DNC by saying "John Kerry, reporting for duty".

Do you think that Bob Dole would have ever said anything so insipid and lame?

Well at least Kerry reported for duty, unlike Bush:disgust::confused:
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin

Dole Questions Kerry's Vietnam Wounds
Spoken by a man who suffered real battle wounds

Wow, how low will the repugs go, apparently lower and lower everyday.

If Dole was still enlisted he would be Court Martialed for questioning the call of his superiors.
 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: AcidicFury
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Kerry started off his speech at the DNC by saying "John Kerry, reporting for duty".

Do you think that Bob Dole would have ever said anything so insipid and lame?

Well at least Kerry reported for duty, unlike Bush:disgust::confused:

that is not the issue at hand. It is Kerry's record that is being called into question. It will not be settled by being side tracked. If we would like to discuss Bush's record then we should have a separate topic for it, but my guess it that it would take a whole of 6 minutes to discuss his record... or non record, more like.

The issue here is that there is a fray between SBVFT and Kerry and all the people taking sides.

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Originally posted by: UltraQuiet
It's dissapointing that Bob Dole would lower himself enough to enter this assinine debate.

I concur.

Rip, I hope your children are brighter and more mature than you (if they're older than 5, the odds are this is the case).