Doing PC servicing house calls - suggestions, things to watch for?

Jeff7

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I'm considering making "house calls" for people who need PC servicing; adverstise it in a newspaper, work for myself for awhile. Anything to watch for or to get? I've got a little information on some insurance to get - against accidental problems, like, doing something simple like putting in a new videocard, and then the whole computer won't boot. And insurance against lawsuits.
What all do I need to do this? Portable HD to do backups before working? That would take time though, just sitting there...and would it be worth it?
I figure I can make decent money - the places around here that service PC's charge $60 an HOUR or MORE! I'd be fine with $40 an hour!
 

Sluggo

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Watch out for sex-starved divorcees, they arent REALLY looking for help with their PCI slot.
 

chiwawa626

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Just be careful beacuse howmany times have you went to fix something and broke it more? I saw that thread somewhere on here about some guy trying to fix his GF's family computer and something went wrong, heh, just be careful and dont mess with it if u dont know whats wrong with it, and if u dont know whats wrong with it just give em the old "this is too old to use, u mite as well upgrade it or get a new one.." :)
 

Jeff7

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Yeah; like working on my dad's PC, I don't remember what I installed, a videocard maybe, something simple. End result: after days of troubleshooting, finally just reformatted. Not a good option when working on someone else's PC.
 

brtspears2

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Make them sign a contract that says you arent responsible for anything. If you break something, dont charge.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: brtspears2
Make them sign a contract that says you arent responsible for anything. If you break something, dont charge.

Great suggestion; never thought of anything like that. :) A wavier.
 

Atrail

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Make sure you tell them you void their factory warranty when you touch it.
 

Tripleshot

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Get a good supplier. stock good parts. cary a spare HDD,Cdrom,sound and vid card, floppy and maybe a mobo. Bring a zip drive USB with all your trick troubleshooting software on Zip disks, and look and act professionally. Have manuals available for reference,should you need help. Oh,spare keyboard and mouse too.

Advertise in your local paper, maybe print up some flyers and go door to door introducing yourself and your service. before long, you will have a thriving business. Many people would rather junk their pc than unhook it and take it to a shop and admit they are clueless as to why it stopped working. I see that all the time. That is why you will be successful, as long as you can fix the PC in short amount of time. All calls should be less than an hour. Anything longer needs a bench. All virus infected computers probably need a bench too,because elimination and thorough eradication is lengthy most of the time. Charge extra for virus removal. most all shops do, you can too.

Use Anadtech all the time for reference. you can get a lot of help here in the forums. You will run into problems you thought could never happen,believe me. you can't have all the answers . But you know where you can find them, here and elsewhere on the web.

good luck, Jeff.:)
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Atrail
Make sure you tell them you void their factory warranty when you touch it.

Heh; yeah. My uncle had a system from a computer show, but after many trips back and forth to them (lots of bad components) they finally gave me permission to do what I wanted in it. I seemed to know more than they did, sadly.
Good tips, keep em coming.
 

HiveMaster

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Another great way to make money is to train people on how to use the internet, or just how to use their computers. Put flyers for pc training in the windows of cars in parking lots for CompUSA, Best Buy, and Circuit City. Your best advertiser will be word of mouth, and if you show someone how smart you are in a training session, they will tell their friends that you are a qualified teckie.

As far as rates go...don't be afraid to charge whatever it is the shops charge. I bring a rate card that showed how much CC, BB, and CUSA charges for simple repairs, and charge a flat rate that the customer sees will almost always be less (50/hour).

You should also incorporate: If you are driving your personal car to a job, and you cause an accident, the victim could take your house. If you are driving your COMPANY car on COMPANY business, and you cause an accident, the only thing they can sue you for is your business assets. Most people just starting out have no real assets, so there is not a great loss if something bad happens.

Oh and BE HONEST with the customers!!! The worst thing you can do is try to inflate your bottom line by BS'ing the customer and putting in parts or doing work that they do not need. Sooner or later you will run into someone who knows just enough to realize you are a con man and the NEGATIVE comments from them to all of their friends can kill your business.
 

kyutip

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is there a program that can undo the changes that you do to the system ?
I think I saw this one time when a DSL tech guy come in to install NIC or whatever, he first install something small from floppy.
Good thing he did, because the comp hang and BSOD. then he just went to command mode, run the little ah heck and voila.
Kinda like nothing happen.

Anyone know what that is ?
 

Jeff7

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Oh and BE HONEST with the customers!!! The worst thing you can do is try to inflate your bottom line by BS'ing the customer and putting in parts or doing work that they do not need. Sooner or later you will run into someone who knows just enough to realize you are a con man and the NEGATIVE comments from them to all of their friends can kill your business.

No kidding. ;) If I wanted to make money illegally, there's other considerably more profitable methods. :p
 

SinnerWolf

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At both of my jobs, I constantly find myself being talked into housecalls and upgrades for personal PC help. I've done several dozen of these in the past 2-3 months, and i've gotten a bit of an arsenal set up as a result. Of course, I have so many spare PC parts lying around, my list may seem a bit excessive.

You're going to want to have parts on hand. Hard drives, CDRW's, Sdram/DDR/etc.., PSU, video/sound, mice/keyboard, NIC, modem, and most importantly...fans & CDR's. Canned air and some alcohol variant for cleaning are also a must. You can easily enough find some good deals here in the forums for them, and then just sell them to your house calls for a marginal profit (which will stil be cheaper then retail 9/10 times...have current local ads with you just in case, for proof). Make sure you have a diverse tool kit set up....power screwdriver is a must, as is flat/phillips/star, pliars, extra screws/jumpers, ethernet/usb/phone/AC/audio/extensions cables...and perhaps adaptors for AT/serial input devices.

MAKE SURE, you set up limitations. Say you'll work on any PC (mac ruh roh) faster then 333 mhz, win98+, etc...this eliminates all kinds of hardware dilemnas (mb's with 30 jumpers, parity ram, etc..), currently unsupported software, and driver hunts that will make your $40/hour seem sacrificial. The cost of getting a machine in this range back up to spec is in the cheap range of a new PC, with warranty. However, you may have some customers who just want a simple upgrade, so it may be quick $$. Then again some will have been hit by lightning and have blown MB/PSU caps, intermittent cdrom, and so on. A contract isn't a bad idea...make sure you specifiy that you are NOT tech support. GET A PAGER and only give that number out just in case.

Of all the silly things I've done for people and their computers, it seems the thing they all appreciate the most is cable management. Make it neater then when you got there, and they'll think you're a pro even if their computer is MIA. Velcro ties, Elec tape, etc....color coded.

As far as the factory warranty goes, it depends on the brand. I've checked with Dell, Micron, IBM, HP/compaq, Sony, Emachine, etc...only one who has upgrade quirks is gateway, as they want you to be on the phone with them while you do the upgrade? So long as you're not disassembling platters in hard drives (which is a parts warranty issue not machine warranty), i doubt voiding the warranty will be an issue.

Software is the only real problem IMO. Viruses abound....you will need copies of Norton (have their most current intelligent updater handy just in case as well.). Most people don't have their restore CD's for their PC's, and of the ones that do have the CDs only a few will work. Before making the housecall, find out what version of windows, if they have a COA/key and what model PC/type of clone. That way you can have the drivers all set to go before arrival,the service packs burned, the OS cd's if need be, boot disks, etc...

As far as the "undo" type of software goes....Windows xp has the rollback feature but it's unlikely you'll see too many machines with xp for anything beyond OS tutorials or simple installs. You can get Undelete utilities or the like...but i'd just suggest ghosting their drive and playing around with the duped one if you're truly worried. Or make an image on CD's (depending on the HD size...lotsa CDs.). I find that most people have small small hard drives. So it's usually better for me to just clean install a new hard drive and transfer the files from the old to the new. And then reinstall any programs they want.

Alright, i'm too danged long winded...hope some of this helps you out.
 

mcveigh

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set yourself up as an S corp if you're serious. get an accountant to help you.

small tool set,
I carry a little cd case with about 20 cds of various OS'es and utilities
usb-ethernet adapter (comes in handy often)
patch cable, crossover cable
external hard drive/cdrw/zip something like it at least

good luck
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: mcveigh
set yourself up as an S corp if you're serious. get an accountant to help you.

small tool set,
I carry a little cd case with about 20 cds of various OS'es and utilities
usb-ethernet adapter (comes in handy often)
patch cable, crossover cable
external hard drive/cdrw/zip something like it at least

good luck

S corp?

what is the cheapest/easiest way to learn the details of incorporating yourself and then doing it?



Thanks
 

iamwiz82

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the ghost idea is a great one. Take a 10GB hdd with you and ghost any pc you work on. That way there is a back up if(when) something goes wrong.
 

DaiShan

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I would watch out for proprietary machines like Dell, the newer ones you should be ok on, but a friend of mine wanted me to come over and install some more RAM and a new video card in his machine, first off their power connectors are screwy, next, I throw the RAM in there and it boots, counting the RAM but will not boot windows fully, so Finally I figure out that the largest Dimm has to go in the middle slot (WTF?) with the other two DIMMS on the outside of it. Next comes the real fun with the video card I boot to safe mode, remove the old video cards drivers, and reboot into safemode after installing the new one, I put the drivers in and install, all is good, when we try to boot into windows it had like 50 .vxd errors (by this time I had been working on it for over an hour, all free of course) my friend starts flipping out Tried a few different things, finally said screw it, did an install of 98 on top of the current install, and it was fine. Working on the older Dells (imo) is not worth the time.
 

mcveigh

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Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: mcveigh
set yourself up as an S corp if you're serious. get an accountant to help you.

small tool set,
I carry a little cd case with about 20 cds of various OS'es and utilities
usb-ethernet adapter (comes in handy often)
patch cable, crossover cable
external hard drive/cdrw/zip something like it at least

good luck

S corp?

what is the cheapest/easiest way to learn the details of incorporating yourself and then doing it?



Thanks

an S- corp is a type of corporation, but you don't pay corporate taxes, profit goes to the owners and is taxed at their personal tax bracket.
it costs about $200 to incorporate. you can do it yourself to save some money but trust me on this, get an accountant or lawyer to help you.
I screwed up the first time I incoorporated, tried to do it all my self and didn't file the right paper work at the right time, big mess.
it's easy if you have someone help you who knows what they are doing.

you can check your ststes department of corporations website for more info.

BTW you can incorporate in any state, not just the one you live in, this can save you a lot of money.


edit: my S corp i s Open Tech Inc
 

Turin39789

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my buddy and I had planned on incorporating, doing everything on the corporate ledger and at the end of the year, giving ourselves large bonuses, reducing the company account to just a few taxable dollars. is that feasible?
 

mcveigh

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Originally posted by: Turin39789
my buddy and I had planned on incorporating, doing everything on the corporate ledger and at the end of the year, giving ourselves large bonuses, reducing the company account to just a few taxable dollars. is that feasible?


I'm not sure that's why you want a good accountant, they could answer that question in probably 5 seconds
;)

good advice is worth the money (I'm very blessed that my office is in aan accounting firm)
 

wyvrn

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I have set up my own corporation for this purpose. If you have questions, pm me.
 

daddyo

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Talk to a lawyer and write up a good standard contract.

Covering your a$$ should be the #1 priority.

You'll have a lot of nice customers, but a few bad ones can easily wear you down.
 

Jeff7

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Say you'll work on any PC (mac ruh roh) faster then 333 mhz, win98+, etc...this eliminates all kinds of hardware dilemnas (mb's with 30 jumpers, parity ram, etc..), currently unsupported software, and driver hunts that will make your $40/hour seem sacrificial

I worked on a PC for my mom's friend already - she got a system out of a newspaper classified. Well, it turned out, she was trying to run Windows 95 - on an AMD 386 computer with 4MB RAM. (Yes, it did boot to Windows.) That thing was sad. She even had it to a place to have it fixed - and they actually worked on it! She had spent over a hundred dollars on this thing - it's only value is as an antique anymore. I mean, this thing's CPU is soldered to the motherboard! I built her a whole new system.

What I'm seeing here is that this PC servicing thing is going to take a decent monetary investment (as far as my assets are concerned anyway), though it does look as though it could be quite profitable. I could just bring along an entire PC, with handles on it of course, and use that as a testbed for components, as well as a "backup device."

In terms of backups, it's usually possible to just back up and then wipe out the Program Files and Windows folders.

Proprietary stuff: yes, I've dealt with Dell systems already; once even a Packard Bell. That was NOT fun....ugh.

Mcveigh - thanks; I was wondering what the heck "s-corp" meant. If I read correctly, it's like I'm a company, but just not a big enough one to have to pay "big company" taxes.

Covering your a$$ should be the #1 priority.

You'll have a lot of nice customers, but a few bad ones can easily wear you down.
Yes, definitely. Sort of like that good samaritin (sp?) stuff, when you pull someone out of a burning vehicle, and accidentally injure the person, then they go and sue you. Crap like that...