RadioHead84
Platinum Member
My dog is outta control..its time to train him. Has anyone used shock collars before?
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Dog training
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RadioHead84
Platinum Member
jerk joel keeps pushing my post farther down and down.
I really need to train my dog and I was wondering what the best way was. I heard that shock collars work well but i dont know if that really hurts the dog or not.
The things i woudl like him to learn:
To stop barking
Tell him to sit down/calm down on command. He goes crazy at 9pm every night.
Learn how to walk near me/ without leash.
Come on command.
I really need to train my dog and I was wondering what the best way was. I heard that shock collars work well but i dont know if that really hurts the dog or not.
The things i woudl like him to learn:
To stop barking
Tell him to sit down/calm down on command. He goes crazy at 9pm every night.
Learn how to walk near me/ without leash.
Come on command.
Is he barking around you? just reprimand the dog whenever it does something bad.
Yelling NO really quick is the best way, and don't reprimand the dog with it's own name.
That should work for the barking if you are around the dog.
Calm down on command is rough.. if the dog is a puppy, good luck I dunno on that one.
If the dog goes crazy at 9pm you could just wait till 8:59 and skip an hour on the clocks.
Can it read analog?
One of my dogs will walk right next to me without a leash and not run off.. my other one takes off after any animal it sees..
Come on command...
I'll just not say anything.
RadioHead84
Platinum Member
hmm
RadioHead84
Platinum Member
how long does it take for a trainng course usually?
Henrythewound
Senior member
I have 2 dogs, one is a barker. I tried the shock collar under pressure from my neighbor, but I decided that it was cruel and stpooed using it. I think the best way, although not the easiest, is to reward the good behavior w/ treats/ praise and reprimand the bad, let the dog know no means "NO Muthafukka!".
My dog gets told NO when he barks at my neighbor entering his adjacent yard and praised heavily when my neighbor walks by and does not get barked at. Both of my dogs still pull hard while on walks. Even though I use a choke chain, they pull hard the whole time causing themselves to huff and puf the entire way. They are getting better, Im convinced the dog has to want to learn the new behavior.
My dog gets told NO when he barks at my neighbor entering his adjacent yard and praised heavily when my neighbor walks by and does not get barked at. Both of my dogs still pull hard while on walks. Even though I use a choke chain, they pull hard the whole time causing themselves to huff and puf the entire way. They are getting better, Im convinced the dog has to want to learn the new behavior.
elektrolokomotive
Golden Member
Training collars can be a useful tool, but only if used correctly. The owner should almost take a training course before implementig one of these. Also, the cheap ones that don't allow much control over intensity are no good. I've raised and trained hunting dogs for years, and I can say the the Tri-Tronics collars are good units. Proper use will not hurt the dog.
Fritzo
Lifer
I used one on mine and I'm all for them. The shock is about what you'd feel if you stick your tongue on a 9V battery, so no biggie there. Mine had a remote, and when I saw undesired behavior I'd give a shock. It prevents yelling at the dog, which can cause the dog to fear you and cause other nervous behaviors.
You have to be careful to only use the remote when you catch the dog in the act of doing something undesireable. You can't use it after the fact, or he/she won't understand what's happening. Read the manual that comes with the collar so you get in the mindset of how to use it correctly, otherwise you can cause more harm than good.
You have to be careful to only use the remote when you catch the dog in the act of doing something undesireable. You can't use it after the fact, or he/she won't understand what's happening. Read the manual that comes with the collar so you get in the mindset of how to use it correctly, otherwise you can cause more harm than good.
lightpants
Platinum Member
I have a yellow lab that was out of control when younger up until about 3 years old, she was given to me at that point, and through the correct use of a shock collar broke her bad habits and now she is a great dog. The thing you can do with a remote collar is correct the dog without them knowing it is you. If they know it is you, when you are not around they think they can get away with it. I shocked myself with it before I put it on her. It just feels like when you rub your feet on the carpet and touch a door knob. It is startling but does not hurt.
DVad3r
Diamond Member
You could try using shock collars etc but I would leave those to a last resort, and even then I would use them very lightly.
If your dog barks try using positive/negative reinforcement. If he walks by quietly without barking, tell him/her what a good dog it is and praise it with a treat or with physical affection. Let the dog know your unhappy or happy. You can try a few good whips with a leash here and there before you go the shock collar route, but first just try it without any physical intervention. Have treats and let the dog know its not getting them by barking etc.
Making him calm down? What exactly is he doing? Is this inside your house? Dogs with too much energy like that usually = to not being walked enough per day and don't exert their energy. A dog should have a minimum of 4 walks a day, and one of those, usuaully the 3rd should be really physical to tire it out.
Making the dog walk beside you without a leash? Buy a choking collar. ALways walk the dog to one side of you (left side of you). Always tell it to heel. Reinforce it with treats when it's walking good and vice versa.
Come on command? Same principles, reinforcement.
These are things that will probably work, if not, I have more devious and a bit cruel methods that will break any dog, but I won' t share them here cause Ill get a lot of hate from the hardcore animal lovers.
GL
If your dog barks try using positive/negative reinforcement. If he walks by quietly without barking, tell him/her what a good dog it is and praise it with a treat or with physical affection. Let the dog know your unhappy or happy. You can try a few good whips with a leash here and there before you go the shock collar route, but first just try it without any physical intervention. Have treats and let the dog know its not getting them by barking etc.
Making him calm down? What exactly is he doing? Is this inside your house? Dogs with too much energy like that usually = to not being walked enough per day and don't exert their energy. A dog should have a minimum of 4 walks a day, and one of those, usuaully the 3rd should be really physical to tire it out.
Making the dog walk beside you without a leash? Buy a choking collar. ALways walk the dog to one side of you (left side of you). Always tell it to heel. Reinforce it with treats when it's walking good and vice versa.
Come on command? Same principles, reinforcement.
These are things that will probably work, if not, I have more devious and a bit cruel methods that will break any dog, but I won' t share them here cause Ill get a lot of hate from the hardcore animal lovers.
GL
DivideBYZero
Lifer
FYI:
The first thing a good trainer will teach you is that the dog must respect you, and your dog sounds like he has no respect for you and considers himself leader of the pack.
So, do ALL of the following:
- NEVER allow him to go first through doors in your house. ALWAYS insist you go first. If he does, call him back, you go through then he follows
- NEVER feed him until you have eaten. You are top dog, leader of the pack(brum brum!) so you eat, then he gets his food only when you have completely finished.
- DO NOT allow him on your bed or on your sofa with you. He is not an equal and if he is allowed to do this he will think he is the boss again.
- A dogs bed is his own special space. Show him you are the boss by standing or sitting in it. If he comes up to the bed to get in it, push him away. A dominant dog in a pack can sleep in the place of any other and he will get the idea that you are the boss.
As for the come on command, thats going to have to be treat training. I can't go into that on here, just go to classes. They really will help more than you can ever imagine.
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The first thing a good trainer will teach you is that the dog must respect you, and your dog sounds like he has no respect for you and considers himself leader of the pack.
So, do ALL of the following:
- NEVER allow him to go first through doors in your house. ALWAYS insist you go first. If he does, call him back, you go through then he follows
- NEVER feed him until you have eaten. You are top dog, leader of the pack(brum brum!) so you eat, then he gets his food only when you have completely finished.
- DO NOT allow him on your bed or on your sofa with you. He is not an equal and if he is allowed to do this he will think he is the boss again.
- A dogs bed is his own special space. Show him you are the boss by standing or sitting in it. If he comes up to the bed to get in it, push him away. A dominant dog in a pack can sleep in the place of any other and he will get the idea that you are the boss.
As for the come on command, thats going to have to be treat training. I can't go into that on here, just go to classes. They really will help more than you can ever imagine.
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Fritzo
Lifer
Actually, training "down" or "Sit" is fairly easy and you don't need a shock collar for that.
1) get some small easily chewable treats (chopped up hotdogs work well)
2) place a treat on the floor in front of your dog, and keep your foot over the treat (wear shoes unless you like dog slobber between your toes).
3) Keep repeating "down" while you're making a "stop" motion with your hand. The hand signal is important as you will be able to command your dog without speaking.
4) release the treat when your dog gets down on all 4's ONLY. The dog will eventually do it while trying to get to the treat under your shoe.
5) Do this 10-15 times, maybe a couple of sessions a day. My dog picked it up in 2 days. I now only have to make a "stop" motion with my hand and she drops to the floor. You need to give a treat everytime the action is performed for some time afterwards to reinforce the behavior.
To get the dog to come when called:
This situation is a good one to use a "clicker." These can be obtained at nearly any pet store for around $1. It's just a device that you click when the dog does something desireable. The click is followed by a treat.
1) With the dog in front of you and treats in hand, call the dogs name then click and give a treat whenever it makes DIRECT eye contact with you. He/she will want to stare at your hand with the treats. It will only be by chance at first, but the dog will eventually catch on that he/she needs to look you in the eye to get a reward. This teaches name recognition. This will take a few days to get down perfectly. Again 10-15 tries a couple of times a day works best.
2) When step one is down pat, the dog should be used to standing patiently in front of you, waiting for it's name to be called. Take a step back while repeating the word "stay", then call it's name. If the dog gets up before calling, step forward to block it's movement and start over. Again, with desired behavior, click and treat.
3) Repeat as needed, taking addt. steps back each time a goal is reached. I was able to train my dog to stay and come in about a week.
This method works great for "trick" training, but bad habit training is tough because you have to stop the dog in the act. Again, the collars are great for this because you can correct the dog from another room, outside a window, etc.
1) get some small easily chewable treats (chopped up hotdogs work well)
2) place a treat on the floor in front of your dog, and keep your foot over the treat (wear shoes unless you like dog slobber between your toes).
3) Keep repeating "down" while you're making a "stop" motion with your hand. The hand signal is important as you will be able to command your dog without speaking.
4) release the treat when your dog gets down on all 4's ONLY. The dog will eventually do it while trying to get to the treat under your shoe.
5) Do this 10-15 times, maybe a couple of sessions a day. My dog picked it up in 2 days. I now only have to make a "stop" motion with my hand and she drops to the floor. You need to give a treat everytime the action is performed for some time afterwards to reinforce the behavior.
To get the dog to come when called:
This situation is a good one to use a "clicker." These can be obtained at nearly any pet store for around $1. It's just a device that you click when the dog does something desireable. The click is followed by a treat.
1) With the dog in front of you and treats in hand, call the dogs name then click and give a treat whenever it makes DIRECT eye contact with you. He/she will want to stare at your hand with the treats. It will only be by chance at first, but the dog will eventually catch on that he/she needs to look you in the eye to get a reward. This teaches name recognition. This will take a few days to get down perfectly. Again 10-15 tries a couple of times a day works best.
2) When step one is down pat, the dog should be used to standing patiently in front of you, waiting for it's name to be called. Take a step back while repeating the word "stay", then call it's name. If the dog gets up before calling, step forward to block it's movement and start over. Again, with desired behavior, click and treat.
3) Repeat as needed, taking addt. steps back each time a goal is reached. I was able to train my dog to stay and come in about a week.
This method works great for "trick" training, but bad habit training is tough because you have to stop the dog in the act. Again, the collars are great for this because you can correct the dog from another room, outside a window, etc.
GasX
Lifer
1. try a citronella collar
2. Have a SHORT daily training session where he gets bits of hot dog for doing what you tell him. If he gets bored, try again tomorrow. Focus on sit, stay, come maybe paw
3. Give him more exercise
4. Not every dog can be trusted to do this, but if he learns COME he may have a shot.
5. See #2
A tired dog is a well behaved dog. Make sure your dog gets plenty of exercise, plenty of socialization and plenty of 1 on 1 training.
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