Does this sum up Bush's foreign policy in the last eight years?
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GodlessAstronomer
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GodlessAstronomer
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Meh, they can pound sand if they think I'll jump through hoops to use their shitty website. Plenty more video sites on the net.
The clip is missing the part on German involvement. Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are all mentioned for their various roles yet Germany is consistently ignored when its role was bigger than some of those countries.
It will happen again if we do not confront all the angles.
It will happen again if we do not confront all the angles.
JohnOfSheffield
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You forgot Israel, Canada, Brasil and the UK.
But never mind, you got Germany and to you, that is all that matters. *sigh*
Those countries were not involved in the 9/11 attacks. Germany was involved.
What matters is that Americans finally stop ignoring our enemies. Germany must be held responsible. It is a breeding ground for terrorists. It is the Saudi Arabia of Europe.
JohnOfSheffield
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No, they were all involved in the same way Germany was, but MOST of all the US was involved.
Your response is that the US should attack Germany?
Yeah... well if you don't want a nuclear war, you probably shouldn't do that.
Several of the 9/11 hijackers were radicalized while in Germany. That did not happen in the other countries you listed.
Germany needs to be recognized as a breeding ground for terrorists. Their involvement must not be forgotten.
JohnOfSheffield
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Actually, they were all radicalized in training camps in SA (this is well known to all but tinfoiled twats), their misson came from there, they were neither traine nor other shit in Germany and all they did was to look for a way through and they got it, not all of them had the same path but ALL of them were educated in the US.
I know you hate Europe and want it destroyed, but it's not going to happen.
Sorry, your warfare plans have failed, restart in 5.....4....3...2...1
Game over.
I know you hate Europe and want it destroyed, but it's not going to happen.
Sorry, your warfare plans have failed, restart in 5.....4....3...2...1
Game over.
Typical history revisionism. The ringleader, Atta, was radicalized in Germany while pursuing his education. This is well-known. Atta did not train in training camps in Saudi Arabia but supposedly Afghanistan.
German involvement is indisputable to all but the Eurosupremacists.
If you ignore the fact Saddam was violating numerous UN resolutions related to the 1991 invasion of Kuwait and their chem weapons program that all said they must comply or "face grave consequences", and that the UN vote to take action most likely would have passed if Russia didn't have a financial gain on the line (they had outstanding deals with Saddam), just remember the invasion of Iraq passed house/senate vote with an overwhelming 2+:1 ratio. Why people try to pin this completely on GWB or the Republican party is beyond me.
Bush didn't force anyone to vote Yea, and once we were in, we had to stay.
GroundedSailor
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What did any of that have to do with Iraq?
We went to war to avenge those who attacked the US on 9/11. Afghanistan was a good start, but then we changed course and put all resources in Iraq - even at the cost of Afghanistan.
GWB presidency will be defined by the action in Iraq which eventually has come to effect almost every other aspect of his administration.
Were GWB not president we would not have gone to Iraq. I rue the day GWB became president. I had then remarked to my office colleagues - watch we will end up in Iraq somehow.
JohnOfSheffield
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None of the things you mention were even MENTIONED as a reason and if they had been, there would be no Iraq war.
Besides the Russian financial gain has been discarded for three years and months.
It was an idiotic war to start when Afghanistan was far from over, and now it will remain broken and a hotbed for terrorists, con fucking gratulations, you must love Al Quaeda mor than Bin Laden does.
None of them? Really? http://www.whitehouse.gov/news...002/10/20021002-2.html
As far as being broken and remaining so, I have to disagree. Iraq has come a looong way. The Iraqi citizens began standing up to the terrorist when I was there last year, were making great progress when I left earlier this year, and are even stronger now. The Iraqi Army is also getting better and stronger every day. Mosul is basically AQI's last stand, and they will be beat there just like they got beat everywhere else in the country.
Again, regardless of the how or why, the resolution to go to Iraq was passed with 374 votes, Democrats and Republicans. Point the finger at them all if you wish to place blame.
Once we were in, mistake or not, we couldn't just up and leave.
BTW, just to be clear, I feel we should have just stuck to finishing Afghanistan and tracking down Osama.
My only gripe with Iraq, regardless of whether or not it was a mistake, is people putting all the blame on Bush. Iraq was not a one vote operation. Can't say what would have happened under Gore, since we probably wouldn't have even gone into Afghanistan with him as President.
My only gripe with Iraq, regardless of whether or not it was a mistake, is people putting all the blame on Bush. Iraq was not a one vote operation. Can't say what would have happened under Gore, since we probably wouldn't have even gone into Afghanistan with him as President.
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